Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 2

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

Eleazar · 09-09-2014, 11:22 AM

Pioli's drafts.

2009
Tyson Jackson
Alex Magee
Donald Washington
Colin Brown
Quinten Lawrence
Javarris Williams
Jake O'Connell
Ryan Succop

2010
Eric Berry*
Dexter McCluster
Javier Arenas
Jon Asamoah
Tony Moeaki
Kendrick Lewis
Cameron Sheffield

2011
Jonathan Baldwin
Rodney Hudson
Justin Houston*
Allen Bailey
Jalil Brown
Ricky Stanzi
Gabe Miller
Jerrell Powe
Shane Bannon

2012
Dontari Poe*
Jeff Allen
Donald Stephenson*
Devon Wylie
DeQuan Menzie
Cyrus Gray
Jerome Long
Junior Hemingway

* - denotes player who ever became worth a squirt in the NFL.

**wazu** · 09-09-2014, 11:22 AM

I think Pioli proved that Clark will give a GM an absolute minimum of 4 full years. Maybe if the Chiefs went 0-16 this year and next it would be enough. Outside of that, we're stuck with these guys.

And for me Dorsey/Reid are a package deal. Reid demanded Alex Smith. Their fates should be the same.

BigBeauford · 09-09-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Jesus, you can almost set your watch to this guy.

**Bearcat** · 09-09-2014, 11:22 AM

It sucks to think we're no better than the Raiders when it comes to stability.

**dirk digler** · 09-09-2014, 11:25 AM

I agree with you about Dorsey being fired but it is not going to happen.

I am worried that this upcoming draft we will have 15 picks and he will **** them all up and screw this team for a decade, that is how poor of a drafter he has been.

Clark needs to get on his knees and beg Bill Kuharich to come back

O.city · 09-09-2014, 11:26 AM

All of his draft picks are picked looking forward 2-3 years.

The dumbest shit was the big spending spree last year just to get fans back. They seem to have realized now that the whole roster needed a complete overhaul.

This time, it needs to start with a new QB. Smith is a fine placeholder to take all the beatings while we get the roster turned over. Sucks for him, but he's being paid well for it.

Build the defense around Poe, Houston, Berry and the young players drafted, draft a QB early next year to sit for a bit, go to the 4-3 in the offseason and sign suh to play next to Poe.

O.city · 09-09-2014, 11:28 AM

He hasn't hit any immediate impact players in the draft, but last years draft class after a year seems to be developing decently, with Kelce, Fisher, Davis and cooper.

**The Franchise** · 09-09-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I don't think Dorsey will be fired. You're right - he should absolutely have to earn his job THIS year, but I just think Hunt wants continuity. Dorsey and Reid will be retained. It's really tough... If we are in a position to draft a QB this year, and don't... I don't think I will be able to watch the Chiefs anymore.

Most likely Alex Smith will be retained, although I'm starting to think the best thing that could happen for this team is him suffering a season-ending injury. I don't hate Alex Smith like a lot of people, but I also recognize that he is never going to be one of our best players.

Smith's contract can be unloaded this offseason, but I don't think there's any way that happens unless he gets injured. I don't want to hope for someone getting injured, but...

We might need Chase Daniel to go lose 14 games for us so we can draft Mariota. You want to see hope in a franchise? You want to see season ticket sales SURGE?

Draft a ****ing QB.

It shouldn't be as hard of a decision for Hunt because the HC and GM are separate from each other now. Dorsey ****ing up? Get rid of him. Reid not working out? Find someone else.

Prison Bitch · 09-09-2014, 11:30 AM

Direck on Obama: "he needs more time. He inherited a terrible situation"

Direck on Dorsey: "he doesn't need more time. One year is enough to turn around a terrible situation"

KCUnited · 09-09-2014, 11:30 AM

In a passing league, to have an Oline that can't pass protect, a bottom of the league WR corp, a bottom of the league secondary, and a middle of the road QB says everything I need to know about Dorsey.

O.city · 09-09-2014, 11:33 AM

It's thoughts like this why I don't know that chiefs fans will ever be able to handle a young QB that isn't luck from day 1.

The core everyone loves here, their chance of doing anything was done with Pioli leaving. That time has passed. It's time to focus an develop the new young core for the next wave.

Mr. Plow · 09-09-2014, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree with you about Dorsey being fired but it is not going to happen.

I am worried that this upcoming draft we will have 15 picks and he will **** them all up and screw this team for a decade, that is how poor of a drafter he has been.

Clark needs to get on his knees and beg Bill Kuharich to come back

This team has already been screwed up for a decade.

O.city · 09-09-2014, 11:36 AM

I'm also pretty sure last years "spending spree" etc came from ownership to get back to respectability ASAP.

**The Franchise** · 09-09-2014, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

It's thoughts like this why I don't know that chiefs fans will ever be able to handle a young QB that isn't luck from day 1.

The core everyone loves here, their chance of doing anything was done with Pioli leaving. That time has passed. It's time to focus an develop the new young core for the next wave.

By fans....you mean the dipshits that worry more about tailgating and having fun at Arrowhead....right?

O.city · 09-09-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

By fans....you mean the dipshits that worry more about tailgating and having fun at Arrowhead....right?

That and patience.

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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09-09-2014, 11:22 AM	#16
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Pioli's drafts. 2009 Tyson Jackson Alex Magee Donald Washington Colin Brown Quinten Lawrence Javarris Williams Jake O'Connell Ryan Succop 2010 Eric Berry* Dexter McCluster Javier Arenas Jon Asamoah Tony Moeaki Kendrick Lewis Cameron Sheffield 2011 Jonathan Baldwin Rodney Hudson Justin Houston* Allen Bailey Jalil Brown Ricky Stanzi Gabe Miller Jerrell Powe Shane Bannon 2012 Dontari Poe* Jeff Allen Donald Stephenson* Devon Wylie DeQuan Menzie Cyrus Gray Jerome Long Junior Hemingway * - denotes player who ever became worth a squirt in the NFL.
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09-09-2014, 11:22 AM	#17
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $2242295 VARSITY	I think Pioli proved that Clark will give a GM an absolute minimum of 4 full years. Maybe if the Chiefs went 0-16 this year and next it would be enough. Outside of that, we're stuck with these guys. And for me Dorsey/Reid are a package deal. Reid demanded Alex Smith. Their fates should be the same.
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09-09-2014, 11:22 AM	#19
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2854931	It sucks to think we're no better than the Raiders when it comes to stability. __________________
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09-09-2014, 11:25 AM	#20
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $3294644	I agree with you about Dorsey being fired but it is not going to happen. I am worried that this upcoming draft we will have 15 picks and he will **** them all up and screw this team for a decade, that is how poor of a drafter he has been. Clark needs to get on his knees and beg Bill Kuharich to come back
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09-09-2014, 11:26 AM	#21
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	All of his draft picks are picked looking forward 2-3 years. The dumbest shit was the big spending spree last year just to get fans back. They seem to have realized now that the whole roster needed a complete overhaul. This time, it needs to start with a new QB. Smith is a fine placeholder to take all the beatings while we get the roster turned over. Sucks for him, but he's being paid well for it. Build the defense around Poe, Houston, Berry and the young players drafted, draft a QB early next year to sit for a bit, go to the 4-3 in the offseason and sign suh to play next to Poe.
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09-09-2014, 11:28 AM	#22
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	He hasn't hit any immediate impact players in the draft, but last years draft class after a year seems to be developing decently, with Kelce, Fisher, Davis and cooper.
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09-09-2014, 11:30 AM	#24
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Direck on Obama: "he needs more time. He inherited a terrible situation" Direck on Dorsey: "he doesn't need more time. One year is enough to turn around a terrible situation"
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09-09-2014, 11:30 AM	#25
KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $2328244	In a passing league, to have an Oline that can't pass protect, a bottom of the league WR corp, a bottom of the league secondary, and a middle of the road QB says everything I need to know about Dorsey.
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09-09-2014, 11:33 AM	#26
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	It's thoughts like this why I don't know that chiefs fans will ever be able to handle a young QB that isn't luck from day 1. The core everyone loves here, their chance of doing anything was done with Pioli leaving. That time has passed. It's time to focus an develop the new young core for the next wave.
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09-09-2014, 11:36 AM	#28
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	I'm also pretty sure last years "spending spree" etc came from ownership to get back to respectability ASAP.
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