Elite QB's Smith has deafeted the last 4 years

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Why can't a talented team with Smith compete?

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The number is zero because Alex Smith doesn't play Defense.

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Originally Posted by Rivermike87

Alex can win in the playoffs, people need to realize that.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman made it to a Super Bowl.

Pretty much any QB who's good enough to play in the NFL will be "good enough" if you get him into just the right circumstances. The question's really about which QBs can win in less than optimum situations.

Brady took a horseshit defense to within a minute of a SB win in 2011, for example, while Andy Dalton can't win a playoff game in the divisional round.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

People point out Smith is middle or bottom tier in most passing statistics. Particularly, ones that point to the true effectiveness of any QB in yards per attempt -net or otherwise-. These stats supposedly don't mean anything because: a) 38-15-1 record as a stater and b) reasons.

Then, BossChief asserts through Smith's statistics that he's good enough to win a playoff game. But apparently his record as a starter doesn't apply in this instance because: a) he's not playing defense and b) reasons.

I'm not spinning anything. The statistics matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

Stats mean jack, including a QB's record.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Alex was drafted into one of the worst regimes with one of the worst talented teams. Finally when they got some good drafts and then Harbaugh they started winning.

Yet what was the outcome when the 49ers had a defense that was in the top 25 units of all time in 2011?

Right, right, it was all Kyle Williams fault for muffing two punts or whatever. Let's just ignore the fact that the 49ers had nine second half and overtime possessions, scored a TD and a FG, punted six times and had the clock expire on drive because Delanie Walker couldn't hold on to the football.

Six punts with one of these punts in a sudden death situation. Yet, it's all Kyle Williams fault for sucking at his job. Surely nobody is glossing over the fact that the offense couldn't sustain a drive when it mattered most.

And that 49ers team was superior to what KC is going to have this year and have better coaching to boot. They had defense comparable to that of the '13 Seahawks (who were the only reason Seattle has been in two Super Bowls and have come away with a Lombardi trophy) and an offense that's going to be within the same realm as what the Chiefs have with perhaps a slight edge to KC.

Best case scenario is the Chiefs have a defense as good as the 2011 49ers. That Jeremy Maclin, Travis Kelce, Jamaal Charles, Albert Wilson, and Chris Conley are better than Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Kyle Williams and Ted Ginn respectively.

A lot of the blame falls on the San Francisco defense for allowing the Giants to score three more points than what the 49ers were able to score in the conference final game. If the Chiefs of 2015 are equal to the 2011 49ers, then yeah, you can expect a playoff win but that's about it... And that's assuming the Chiefs are equal to or better than that team -and that's a stretch to say at this point beeeeeeeeecause......

Originally Posted by RunKC

This team is built up with talent and coaching. The team is strong. Alex should at the very least take us to the playoffs. I'm expecting at least one playoff win.

The expectation should be that the team be more than one game above .500. I mean, the Chiefs did go 2-14 three years ago. That's pretty hard to overcome in such a short amount of time.

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Originally Posted by milkman

Stats mean jack, including a QB's record.

So then it's all about the eye test, is it not?

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So then it's all about the eye test, is it not?

Yes.

And before you shit on this, the eye test tells me that Alex Smith is capable of winning.

The question is, can he overcome his own fear of risk consistently enough to do it?

That question is unanswerable for us.

[Rivermike87]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

If the Chiefs of 2015 are equal to the 2011 49ers, then yeah, you can expect a playoff win but that's about it... And that's assuming the Chiefs are equal to or better than that team -and that's a stretch to say at this point.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a stretch to compare the two teams because honestly they are quite similar. Good running attack, same qb, scary defense all around, a monster at tight end. Only difference is 2011 49ers had pro bowlers on their line. With that being said people should be optimistic for the upcoming season. It's the Chiefs time to shine

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yet what was the outcome when the 49ers had a defense that was in the top 25 units of all time in 2011?

Right, right, it was all Kyle Williams fault for muffing two punts or whatever. Let's just ignore the fact that the 49ers had nine second half and overtime possessions, scored a TD and a FG, punted six times and had the clock expire on drive because Delanie Walker couldn't hold on to the football.

Six punts with one of these punts in a sudden death situation. Yet, it's all Kyle Williams fault for sucking at his job. Surely nobody is glossing over the fact that the offense couldn't sustain a drive when it mattered most.

And that 49ers team was superior to what KC is going to have this year and have better coaching to boot. They had defense comparable to that of the '13 Seahawks (who were the only reason Seattle has been in two Super Bowls and have come away with a Lombardi trophy) and an offense that's going to be within the same realm as what the Chiefs have with perhaps a slight edge to KC.

Best case scenario is the Chiefs have a defense as good as the 2011 49ers. That Jeremy Maclin, Travis Kelce, Jamaal Charles, Albert Wilson, and Chris Conley are better than Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Kyle Williams and Ted Ginn respectively.

A lot of the blame falls on the San Francisco defense for allowing the Giants to score three more points than what the 49ers were able to score in the conference final game. If the Chiefs of 2015 are equal to the 2011 49ers, then yeah, you can expect a playoff win but that's about it... And that's assuming the Chiefs are equal to or better than that team -and that's a stretch to say at this point beeeeeeeeecause......



The expectation should be that the team be more than one game above .500. I mean, the Chiefs did go 2-14 three years ago. That's pretty hard to overcome in such a short amount of time.

That team made the SB the next year with one of the most overrated QB's in the league

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2011 49ers had a nice easy schedule and was hitting the turnover lottery that season.

Offense being retrograde at time had a lot to do with holdout and system change, Injuries at WR, offensive line pass blocking was not good and neither was run blocking actually, RG and RT specifically. And the genius HC and his offense ability should be questioned after the past 2 49ers seasons.
Gore went from 4 catches a game to 1.
Redzone offense or near the redzone sucked. It was who cares, we'll kick a FG.


In 2010 the 49ers led the NFL in QB Rating in the Redzone 112.8
They fired the original OC Singletary had recruited and opened up the offense with Smith in shotgun more. Sing still sabotaged himself by playing Troy Smith.
Look at how Smith finished 2010. Last 8 games *1 left with injury *1 came in in 4Q
1638 Yards 12 TD 5 INT
And Frank Gore hurt his hip and was out in Week 11 on.

2015 KC > 2011 SF
But in 2011 it was free pass to playoffs an division win. 1st things 1st is getting past DEN.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

That team made the SB the next year with one of the most overrated QB's in the league

And in large part because of that QB.

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Look at how Smith finished 2010.

With a 3-5 record?



You crow about his stats, but in five of those eight games the 49ers scored 20 or fewer points, and they lost all but ONE game in which the defense gave up more than 20 points.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/2010/

Alex is never ever going to be the QB you want him to be.

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Super Bowl bound Stop

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I'm withholding judgement until the end of this season....year 3 for Reid/Dorsey to design their roster. They wanted Sanders and Beckham...and it didn't fall that way. Smith now has legitimate weapons...Kelce is the #1 TE coupled with Maclin. Wilson would have had 900 yards as a rookie if his numbers were over a 16 game span.

I'm optimistic...Brees was what 7-9...what was Eli? Wilson just about won back to back SBs...and I doubt anyone here considers him "elite".

Those muffed punts most definitely prevented Smith from going to the SB...it would be like blaming Bono for missing 3 FGs in a playoff game. You only control what you control..

Smith has been in a position to win all of his playoff appearances...muffed kicks, injuries and miracle fumbles arent his fault.