Chiefs "Alex Smith makes your defense better" - Page 2

temper11 · 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

Fish · 06-29-2015, 03:33 PM

It's all about the "Hidden" points he's scoring. I mean, you can basically add 16 "Hidden" TDs to his yearly totals. He's like the best in the game at scoring hidden TDs that never actually existed. If it weren't for the fact that they were invisible "Hidden" TDs, his TD total would almost be right up there with the best QBs in the league.

Quote:

He is also keeping the opponent from getting extra possessions. Smith is the master of 'hidden points.'

[...]

Alex Smith is scoring a hidden touchdown per game on average.

[...]

So rest assured knowing each time Smith is taking the safe and easy route he is scoring in his own way; in 'hidden points.'

[...]

Because if he's helping the defense to the tune of seven points per game, that means he's finding 16 hidden TDs throughout the season. Add this to his normal TD contribution makes for a very productive player. Unfortunately it's hard to see and prove.

How can anyone argue with these "Hidden" points?

Three7s · 06-29-2015, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Everyone on here is going to go bitch crazy but not turning the ball over is a big key for you defense.

Don't lose the game is often just as important as trying to win the game.

back to the crying

Playing to not lose the game=\=playing to win the game. Where have I heard this before?

Chiefnj2 · 06-29-2015, 03:35 PM

Without Smith, Justin Houston is a 5-6 sack guy at most.

**Bowser** · 06-29-2015, 03:36 PM

It's like Vermeil logic all over again...

"Yeah, we gave up 194 yards rushing to their guy, but if you take out the 53 and 71 yarder he got in the fourth quarter, I'd say we did a pretty good job at containing him all day!"

Vermeil could sell a frozen turd to an eskimo.

**Dave Lane** · 06-29-2015, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

It's all about the "Hidden" points he's scoring. I mean, you can basically add 16 "Hidden" TDs to his yearly totals. He's like the best in the game at scoring hidden TDs that never actually existed. If it weren't for the fact that they were invisible "Hidden" TDs, his TD total would almost be right up there with the best QBs in the league.

How can anyone argue with these "Hidden" points?

Most paths to the Super Bowl are littered with them.

**Dave Lane** · 06-29-2015, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Without Smith, Justin Houston is a 5-6 sack guy at most.

If that probably a league minimum guy.

Brock · 06-29-2015, 03:38 PM

El oh el

chiefzilla1501 · 06-29-2015, 03:41 PM

As with all issues, there's an argument both ways. But people have polarized opinions.

Alex Smith DOES help the defense when he's playing good, efficient football. And when Smith is on in efficiency, the Chiefs are a tough, tough team. It reminds me of a hitter who always goes to a full count vs. a hitter that always swings at the first pitch. Sure, a free-swinger will have more chances to hit the ball, but the hitter who works the count wears down the pitcher which is good for the team. The strategy works. Much as people go ga ga over Aaron Rodgers and Brees, Russell Wilson and Flacco and Eli and Big Ben have won lots of playoff games with this approach.

Smith should be criticized for a few reasons... 1) if you're going to manage games this way, you better know how to close games. Smith has been below average at that. 2) you better be consistent. Smith has not been consistent and he seems to manage games even when behind. So no... I don't think Smith suddenly becomes clutch. He can't consistently win big games this way so I don't want to see him improve the defense. He needs to do what he can to build big enough leads that he doesn't have to close games (but not to the point of forcing shootouts).

eDave · 06-29-2015, 03:42 PM

He sure make opposing defenses look better.

**The Franchise** · 06-29-2015, 03:43 PM

I'm still trying to gauge how Smith helps the defense by how he plays?

If anything.....the defense has to be on point because any **** up and the team is down. And we all know that Smith isn't bringing that team back to win.

bricks · 06-29-2015, 03:49 PM

You know what I believe?

An offense that doesn't turn the ball over isn't the only key to making its own defense better.

What is huge imo is time of possession. I loved it last year when we played games where we controlled the clock. We just rocked the clock for most of the game and won. That's what we need to do. Create long, sustained drives, grind out and kill the clock, keep the defends fresh and prevent them from wearing down late in games and during the season As well. Folks, I tell ya, it's a smart strategy.

bricks · 06-29-2015, 03:50 PM

The Chiefs need to be really good at converting 3rd downs. I seriously hope they master the sh*t out of that.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-29-2015, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks

You know what I believe?

An offense that doesn't turn the ball over isn't the only key to making its own defense better.

What is huge imo is time of possession. I loved it last year when we played games where we controlled the clock. We just rocked the clock for most of the game and won. That's what we need to do. Create long, sustained drives, grind out and kill the clock, keep the defends fresh and prevent them from wearing down late in games and during the season As well. Folks, I tell ya, it's a smart strategy.

I've said this before... to your point about 3rd downs, when the Chiefs were hot last year, they were converting ~50% on 3rd downs. When they started tanking end of last year, it was something like 25%. It's nice when it works but it's brutal when it doesn't.

But agree on other points... keeps the defense fresher and wears out the opposing defense. Helps you win turnover games -- whereas many high powered offenses might frequently 3 and out, a game management offense often helps you pin the other offense in the 20. I also think there's a lot to be said for swagger. Defenses play tougher when they're respected. And a lot of times defenses unfairly get dinged for giving up a TD because the offense gave them a short field.

**Bowser** · 06-29-2015, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks

The Chiefs need to be really good at converting 3rd downs. I seriously hope they master the sh*t out of that.

Chiefs Offensive Playbook - 2015

PAGE 1 - MACLIN Bubble screen

PAGE 2 - DAT Bubble screen

PAGE 3 - Jamaal anything (refer to Jamaal subsection for options)

PAGE 4 - ~~Bowe~~ Kelce quick in

PAGE 5 WILSON Fly pattern (Head coach edit - Real funny, Doug)

PAGE 6 - *insert rookie name* Post pattern

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-29-2015, 04:02 PM

You know what helps your defense the most?

SCORING POINTS.

Having a guy who doesn't turn the ball over but only leads the offense to 17 points doesn't help your defense, it puts even more pressure on them - they now have to hold an NFL offense to 16 or fewer points.

06-29-2015, 02:58 PM
temper11 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $10014156	"Alex Smith makes your defense better" Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense. This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion. Have at it everyone... http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better
Posts: 2,763

06-29-2015, 03:35 PM	#18
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7913688	Without Smith, Justin Houston is a 5-6 sack guy at most. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
Posts: 22,377

06-29-2015, 03:36 PM	#19
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3521616	It's like Vermeil logic all over again... "Yeah, we gave up 194 yards rushing to their guy, but if you take out the 53 and 71 yarder he got in the fourth quarter, I'd say we did a pretty good job at containing him all day!" Vermeil could sell a frozen turd to an eskimo.
Posts: 100,457

06-29-2015, 03:38 PM	#22
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	El oh el
Posts: 47,314

06-29-2015, 03:41 PM	#23
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2194497	As with all issues, there's an argument both ways. But people have polarized opinions. Alex Smith DOES help the defense when he's playing good, efficient football. And when Smith is on in efficiency, the Chiefs are a tough, tough team. It reminds me of a hitter who always goes to a full count vs. a hitter that always swings at the first pitch. Sure, a free-swinger will have more chances to hit the ball, but the hitter who works the count wears down the pitcher which is good for the team. The strategy works. Much as people go ga ga over Aaron Rodgers and Brees, Russell Wilson and Flacco and Eli and Big Ben have won lots of playoff games with this approach. Smith should be criticized for a few reasons... 1) if you're going to manage games this way, you better know how to close games. Smith has been below average at that. 2) you better be consistent. Smith has not been consistent and he seems to manage games even when behind. So no... I don't think Smith suddenly becomes clutch. He can't consistently win big games this way so I don't want to see him improve the defense. He needs to do what he can to build big enough leads that he doesn't have to close games (but not to the point of forcing shootouts).
Posts: 47,946

06-29-2015, 03:42 PM	#24
eDave Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $9998560	He sure make opposing defenses look better.
Posts: 53,803

06-29-2015, 03:43 PM	#25
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	I'm still trying to gauge how Smith helps the defense by how he plays? If anything.....the defense has to be on point because any **** up and the team is down. And we all know that Smith isn't bringing that team back to win.
Posts: 91,944

06-29-2015, 03:49 PM	#26
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9902559	You know what I believe? An offense that doesn't turn the ball over isn't the only key to making its own defense better. What is huge imo is time of possession. I loved it last year when we played games where we controlled the clock. We just rocked the clock for most of the game and won. That's what we need to do. Create long, sustained drives, grind out and kill the clock, keep the defends fresh and prevent them from wearing down late in games and during the season As well. Folks, I tell ya, it's a smart strategy.
Posts: 5,513

06-29-2015, 03:50 PM	#27
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9902559	The Chiefs need to be really good at converting 3rd downs. I seriously hope they master the sh*t out of that.
Posts: 5,513

06-29-2015, 04:02 PM	#30
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4971115	You know what helps your defense the most? SCORING POINTS. Having a guy who doesn't turn the ball over but only leads the offense to 17 points doesn't help your defense, it puts even more pressure on them - they now have to hold an NFL offense to 16 or fewer points.
Posts: 60,163