Chiefs A CASE FOR THE DEFENSE - Page 4

UChieffyBugger · 08-19-2018, 05:56 PM

During this offseason and the preseason games, folks have been going mad about the defense and I think it's time to lay the facts on the table and have a serious discussion about it.

Last season our defense consisted of.

Revis
Peters
Gaines
Mitchell
Revis
Nelson
Acker

Sorensen
Parker
Murray
Berry (for one game)

Ford (for a few games)
Houston
Zombo
Kpass
Hali

Ragland
Johnson
KPL
Wilson
Smith

Jones
Bailey
Logan
Jenkins
RNR

And these were the points we conceded

Pats= 27

Philly= 20

Chargers= 10

Skins= 20

Texans= 34

Pitt= 19

Raiders= 31

Denver= 19

Cowboys= 28

Giants= 12

Bills= 16

Jets= 38

Raiders= 15

Chargers= 13

Miami= 13

Denver= 24

Titans= 22

So let's do the maths. Out of seventeen games, we only allowed more than 25 points five times. We also kept teams under twenty points eight times, which is nearly half the total amount of games we played. There were some horror shows, no doubt, but I think when you look at that roster and see how many guys were either not good enough (Gaines, Sorensen, Mitchell, RNR, Acker etc), or simply too old and fading (Johnson, Revis, Zombo, Hali and so forth), then I think the defense probably done themselves justice in the end.

And let's be honest guys, would anyone swap our current list of players for the ones we had last year? I certainly wouldn't. It's not perfect by any means, but it's younger, fresher, faster and I have a great belief that fans will be pleasantly surprised by what they produce this season.

TEX · 08-20-2018, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Why? Last season our points allowed totals was about 15th right? And imo we have better talent In the defense than last season so why not? I think Fuller is a stud tbh and will fill Peters role well. Berry coming back should also be a godsend. Whilst Ragland and Hitchens should certainly shore up the middle of the D. Our defense doesn't have to be like the Jaggs for us to have a successful season.

Because they're counting on improvement coming from several key players who have a history of injuries. They need everything to go right for them just to be average. Way too many issues for all that to happen IMO.
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**Rausch** · 08-20-2018, 11:14 AM

I think the run D and pass rush will be better than last year.

I think turnovers, pass coverage, and pts allowed will be worse than last year...

Rasputin · 08-20-2018, 11:22 AM

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WhiteWhale · 08-20-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

As far as turnovers are concerned I actually think Fuller and Watts have the potential to do exactly what Marcus did for us. Watts was a turner machine in college and Fuller had four turnovers last season.

I think KC can survive without Peters, but c'mon.

Nobody in the NFL did what Peters did. 19 picks in 3 years, and 21 if you count playoffs. 480 interception returns yards. 5 FF and 5 recoveries. Two defensive TD's.

Peters could be a liability at other times. The best we can hope for is more consistency, but it's a tall order to expect anyone to bring what Peters did in regards to turnovers and defensive playmaking.

I mean you talk about fuller's 4 turnovers. Peters is responsible for for 24 in 3 years (not counting playoffs). That's 8 per season. On average.

jspchief · 08-20-2018, 02:39 PM

Sutton has yet to field a D that's tough against both the run and pass. They can only ever stop one part of an offense. We've been making excuses for his shortcomings for 4 years and the overall talent on the current probably doesn't measure up to his most talented teams.

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ct · 08-20-2018, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

During this offseason and the preseason games, folks have been going mad about the defense and I think it's time to lay the facts on the table and have a serious discussion about it.

Last season our defense consisted of.

Revis
Peters
Gaines
Mitchell
Revis
Nelson
Acker

Sorensen
Parker
Murray
Berry (for one game)

Ford (for a few games)
Houston
Zombo
Kpass
Hali

Ragland
Johnson
KPL
Wilson
Smith

Jones
Bailey
Logan
Jenkins
RNR

And these were the points we conceded

Pats= 27

Philly= 20

Chargers= 10

Skins= 20

Texans= 34

Pitt= 19

Raiders= 31

Denver= 19

Cowboys= 28

Giants= 12

Bills= 16

Jets= 38

Raiders= 15

Chargers= 13

Miami= 13

Denver= 24

Titans= 22

So let's do the maths. Out of seventeen games, we only allowed more than 25 points five times. We also kept teams under twenty points eight times, which is nearly half the total amount of games we played. There were some horror shows, no doubt, but I think when you look at that roster and see how many guys were either not good enough (Gaines, Sorensen, Mitchell, RNR, Acker etc), or simply too old and fading (Johnson, Revis, Zombo, Hali and so forth), then I think the defense probably done themselves justice in the end.

And let's be honest guys, would anyone swap our current list of players for the ones we had last year? I certainly wouldn't. It's not perfect by any means, but it's younger, fresher, faster and I have a great belief that fans will be pleasantly surprised by what they produce this season.

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cheers!

it may be as up and down as our young qb, but we need to roll with what we got and let these guys grow up to get out next year.

i happen to think mcquay/watts/sterns are a decent group of prospects to roll with at FS, and Berry/Murray are fine at SS. obviously i'm assuming Berry is healthy, cause i do NOT like Murray/joeschmo as SS depth.

i dont like scandrick, but if we keep him as slot cb, keep fuller outside more, and waive the worthless amerson, i'm good with smith, redmond, springs as depth. I'm also assuming nelson is ok to go week1.

Tanoh and Speaks i like, and show trends they will continue to develop and get even better. that pushes ford to perhaps even situational rushbacker only, which is where he belongs in his walk year. (Heres hoping our depth develops so we dont need big name FAs in 2019 and ford nets us a comp pick on his way out the door).

i'm of the opinion Ragland and Hitchens are fine for week1, just no need to risk them in preseason. Depth is not good, however. I like what i see from Neimann, but really, he's super raw and we dont really want to rely on him with many reps on D. smith and eligwe can go away.

I'm kinda psyched about the dline honestly. Jonesy looks great (when he wants to, let's keep him fired up). Nnadi and Xavier will be awesome at nose! Bailey and Jenkins may be fairly meh but should be good enough.

I'm excited to see this group come together, even if it may take half the year to get there. Get ready for a roller coaster season chiefs fans, but it will be worth the growing pains.

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**Easy 6** · 08-20-2018, 05:20 PM

Berry, Hitchens, Ragland... if we can get those three healthy and up to speed, its gonna make a huge difference

In no way am I ready to throw in the towel on this defense, lets play 3 games... then make our bold proclamations

UChieffyBugger · 08-20-2018, 06:15 PM

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Because they're counting on improvement coming from several key players who have a history of injuries. They need everything to go right for them just to be average. Way too many issues for all that to happen IMO.
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"Several"? Berry and who else? Ragland has had one bad injury, the rest may be banged up, but they aren't missing tons of games.

**notorious** · 08-20-2018, 06:16 PM

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TEX · 08-21-2018, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

"Several"? Berry and who else? Ragland has had one bad injury, the rest may be banged up, but they aren't missing tons of games.

Um.....How about the one and only Dee Ford?! I dont blame you for forgetting about him since he hasn't done much of anything...That's 3 right there and all play key positions. All have a history of missing games. So yes, I'd say my use of the word "several" is accurate.

Oh - Did I mention Allen Bailey?
That's more than 1/3 of the defense with ???. And I really didn't go into great detail.

Do you wish to change your opinion now?

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UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2650400	A CASE FOR THE DEFENSE During this offseason and the preseason games, folks have been going mad about the defense and I think it's time to lay the facts on the table and have a serious discussion about it. Last season our defense consisted of. Revis Peters Gaines Mitchell Revis Nelson Acker Sorensen Parker Murray Berry (for one game) Ford (for a few games) Houston Zombo Kpass Hali Ragland Johnson KPL Wilson Smith Jones Bailey Logan Jenkins RNR And these were the points we conceded Pats= 27 Philly= 20 Chargers= 10 Skins= 20 Texans= 34 Pitt= 19 Raiders= 31 Denver= 19 Cowboys= 28 Giants= 12 Bills= 16 Jets= 38 Raiders= 15 Chargers= 13 Miami= 13 Denver= 24 Titans= 22 So let's do the maths. Out of seventeen games, we only allowed more than 25 points five times. We also kept teams under twenty points eight times, which is nearly half the total amount of games we played. There were some horror shows, no doubt, but I think when you look at that roster and see how many guys were either not good enough (Gaines, Sorensen, Mitchell, RNR, Acker etc), or simply too old and fading (Johnson, Revis, Zombo, Hali and so forth), then I think the defense probably done themselves justice in the end. And let's be honest guys, would anyone swap our current list of players for the ones we had last year? I certainly wouldn't. It's not perfect by any means, but it's younger, fresher, faster and I have a great belief that fans will be pleasantly surprised by what they produce this season.
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