Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 9

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

**BossChief** · 09-29-2018, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Does the pain subside at all without surgery? If not, I don't see how he comes back and plays unless they're holding him out because we're 3-0.

I just don't understand why he didn't get surgery in August when these issues started.

How about the fact this issue has been going on for over 3 years?

Sassy Squatch · 09-29-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's always preferred to not have surgery if there are non surgical options.

Well, he tried to play through the pain already and ****ed up his other heel last year so....

**BossChief** · 09-29-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I understand that, the issue would be how bad his spur is and if it can be done with that kind of surgery.

For example I ruptured a tendon and I had an open surgery to have it repaired had they tried to scope me it wouldn't have been repairable because it was worse then expected.

Was that from the delivery slip n fall a couple years ago?

O.city · 09-29-2018, 04:42 PM

My god if it isn’t one thing it’s another

Eleazar · 09-29-2018, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

You'd think they could cut it open and file it down or something, stitch it back up, wrap real good and rub some dirt on it. Good as new.

It would be like recovering from an achilles tendon repair. Season ending for sure. Maybe ready for camp next year, maybe not.

FAX · 09-29-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I understand that, the issue would be how bad his spur is and if it can be done with that kind of surgery.

For example I ruptured a tendon and I had an open surgery to have it repaired had they tried to scope me it wouldn't have been repairable because it was worse then expected.

I get it, Mr. Mecca. I've been scoped a few times, as well, and finally had to have surgery after alternatives failed.

Here's my point ... the recovery period after a scope surgery like this (assuming it would be the procedure of choice) is around 3 months. That is the typical interval between the scope and your return to full physical activity.

We've already shot one of those months in the foot (so to speak). If you allow for the fact that Berry could rehab faster than a normal person, I repeat ...

Why didn't they correct this when it first happened? I can only assume that they either initially misdiagnosed the problem or they want it to improve sufficiently using non-surgical methodologies in the hope he can take the field at some point earlier than say ... December.

FAX

FAX · 09-29-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

It would be like recovering from an achilles tendon repair. Season ending for sure. Maybe ready for camp next year, maybe not.

Sorry, but no ... not even close in terms of severity or recovery time.

FAX

Eleazar · 09-29-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

I just don't understand why he didn't get surgery in August when these issues started.

Team seems to have a history of this.

Reerun_KC · 09-29-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Retire and be done with it. He was a great player but his time is over unfortunately.

Trade for Earl Thomas and move forward. Maybe we can get Berry a ring before he’s gone.

No one gives a flip about a ting for berry. Broke dicks be broken.

Eleazar · 09-29-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Sorry, but no ... not even close in terms of severity or recovery time.

FAX

He was describing needing surgery to remove the bone spur and reattach the tendon and the like.

FAX · 09-29-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

He was describing needing surgery to remove the bone spur and reattach the tendon and the like.

Ah ... my bad ...

I should know better than to doubt your posts, Mr. Eleazar. I stand corrected and humbled. And a little sweaty in the undergarment.

FAX THE GOING TO READ STUFF FROM NOW ON

Mecca · 09-29-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Was that from the delivery slip n fall a couple years ago?

Ha yea, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, that shit was awful and I about died to the point where doctors tell me I'm lucky.

displacedinMN · 09-29-2018, 04:51 PM

I have had bone spurs on both feet where the heel bone was cutting into the Achilles. Not just an inflammation sack.

The repair was to deliberatly cut the tendon. Grind the heel bone and then reattach with bands and metal screws into the heel.

I have had this done on both feet. The left has been done twice because a screw popped out.

No movement for 6- 8 weeks. Then PT.

He is an athlete. I am not.

FloridaMan88 · 09-29-2018, 04:53 PM

Since he got paid, Eric Berry skipped all of the voluntary OTA’s during the 2017 offseason (workouts that may be “voluntary” in participation enforcement but in reality 98% of NFL players participate in these workouts), begins to have heel issues (that may have been related to not being in football shape), tears his Achilles’ tendon by overcompensating for the heel issue in his other foot and now this latest shit show.

$78 million waste.

Reerun_KC · 09-29-2018, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Since he got paid, Eric Berry skipped all of the voluntary OTA’s during the 2017 offseason (workouts that may be “voluntary” in participation enforcement but in reality 98% of NFL players participate in these workouts), begins to have heel issues (that may have been related to not being in football shape), tears his Achilles’ tendon by overcompensating for the heel issue in his other foot and now this latest shit show.

$76 million waste.

100% agree. Unless you have his jersey.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2116899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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