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First US "Safe Injection" Site Expected To Open In California

SF safe injection sites expected to be first in nation, open around July 1
By Heather Knight February 5, 2018 Updated: February 6, 2018 8:26am

San Francisco is on track to open its first two safe injection sites this July, a milestone that will likely make the city the first in the country to embrace the controversial model of allowing drug users to shoot up under supervision. Other cities — including Seattle, Baltimore and Philadelphia — are talking about opening their own safe injection facilities, but San Francisco could get there first. Facilities already exist in Canada, Australia and Europe...The city’s fiscal year starts July 1, and Garcia said safe injection should begin “close to that date.” After officials get a sense of how the first two are working, a third and fourth could open, she said. The safe injection sites will initially be privately funded, though Garcia wouldn’t say where the money’s coming from. She said that will help the city avoid liability, since intravenous drug use is against state and federal law. Opening the sites doesn’t require the approval of the Board of Supervisors or other city officials.

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Old 02-12-2018, 11:25 AM   #61
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You consider yourself a failed father if your child got into a car accident, was prescribed an opiate pain killer, trusted their doctor and took said opiate pain killer, then ended up addicted following the prescription of said pain killer, and when the prescription ends, turned to heroin?

Such a negative, zero excuse attitude would only hurt the situation.

Shame Americans see drug abuse and issues as "Failures", because that is a reason a lot of people don't get help.
My son just had his knee worked on (ACL replacement, work on the ALL, and repaired meniscus), and we were all shocked when the doctor prescribed both hydrocodone and oxycodone, the good news was that he took only the one that worked, only for as long as he was told to, and turned the rest into the campus police for disposal.

So I agree with part of what you're saying, but it's nice to know that him holding the values of an Eagle scout to heart, and with the moral support of his parents (and financial!!! ) and his too-awesome girlfriend providing the physical and local support, he appears to have done pretty-much all the right things.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:27 AM   #62
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My son just had his knee worked on (ACL replacement, work on the ALL, and repaired meniscus), and we were all shocked when the doctor prescribed both hydrocodone and oxycodone, the good news was that he took only the one that worked, only for as long as he was told to, and turned the rest into the campus police for disposal.

So I agree with part of what you're saying, but it's nice to know that him holding the values of an Eagle scout to heart, and with the moral support of his parents (and financial!!! ) and his too-awesome girlfriend providing the physical and local support, he appears to have done pretty-much all the right things.
My daughter was prescribed Oxycodone after having her wisdom teeth pulled out. We advised and told her why it was not a good idea, and to try Excedrin' first, which worked just as well.

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This would make sense.
You do get a whiff of urine smell from time to time there, but I've never seen anyone taking a shit in public, and have never been hit on by a gay guy.

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America: We have an opioid problem here in America, what can we do?

California: We could open up a center for junkies to come to so they can shoot up opioids.



Holy crap that state is a disaster.
They're going to shoot up, whether or not there is a safe spot for them to do it. The idea is that you have less overdose deaths, and also potentially get them help to kick the habit.
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The safe injection sites will initially be privately funded, though Garcia wouldn’t say where the money’s coming from.
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I've been all over San Francisco many times. Never saw any of this.

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My son just had his knee worked on (ACL replacement, work on the ALL, and repaired meniscus), and we were all shocked when the doctor prescribed both hydrocodone and oxycodone, the good news was that he took only the one that worked, only for as long as he was told to, and turned the rest into the campus police for disposal.

So I agree with part of what you're saying, but it's nice to know that him holding the values of an Eagle scout to heart, and with the moral support of his parents (and financial!!! ) and his too-awesome girlfriend providing the physical and local support, he appears to have done pretty-much all the right things.
Glad to hear that. Sound's like you raised him right! Just what is absolutely needed for pain and no more. Then, disposed of them, top floor stuff!!Sounds a lot like personal responsibility to me If everybody followed this simple formula, we wouldn't have an epidemic on our hands.

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My daughter was prescribed Oxycodone after having her wisdom teeth pulled out. We advised and told her why it was not a good idea, and to try Excedrin' first, which worked just as well.
This is where I was going when I mentioned common sense to Lone earlier. I, also, was prescribed Oxy for wisdom teeth years ago. Didn't know anything about it at the time, so I take one. An hour later, not only could I not feel my wisdom extractions, I couldn't feel anything except tingling from head to toe.
At that point, I didn't need a rocket scientist to tell me something wasn't right with these pills. Got rid of them and suffered through with Ibuprofen for a couple of days.

Fast forward to right now. I fell on the ice 4 weeks ago and am currently off work with a fractured shoulder. Bone didn't completely break in two so I don't need surgery ( ) but that doesn't change the pain much. And this whole time, I have taken only 1 shot of Tordal (sp), and that was the day of the x-rays because they wanted to bend and twist my arm in a million different positions to get different angled pictures. Not even so much as an aspirin otherwise.

Pain is a part of life. People need to understand that and deal with it. As long as you can "take the edge off" of that pain to where it is bearable, that's all a person should need.

So a quick recap of what I have personally been through in life pain wise

1.Hyper extended knee in football in school

I was a kid so I took/did whatever mom said. Don't know what she gave me, but it couldn't of been too stout because to this day, that was the most pain I think I have been through. But, I was a kid and that stuff always seems more traumatic than it actually is.

2. 4 Wisdom teeth cut out

Probably 28/30ish yrs. old. Don't remember exactly. Took 1 Dr. prescribed Oxy. Before the effects of that wore off, knew it was a bad deal. Did Ibuprofen for a couple more days.

3. Fractured shoulder

Right now. 1 shot of Tordal (again, sp. don't know what it is but my Dr. insisted it was non-narcotic) on the day of the X-rays. Nothing else at all since.

I'm sure there are more painful experiences in life than I have been through, but there can't be so many more that we have a nation full of addicts because of actual pain. I would bet a huge percentage of our friendly neighborhood junkies are junkies because they chose to be. And until folks come to grips with that fact, nothing is ever gonna change.
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To put a finer point on this discussion, there is abundant evidence that the problem is not legitimate prescriptions of opioid medications for pain. It is, rather, the abuse of those medications by people to whom the medications were not prescribed. For example, although people keep repeating the fact that a large percentage of heroin users started with prescription medications, they usually fail to mention that the vast majority of them started with someone else's prescription. The story of the poor guy who got some percocet for his wisdom teeth and wound up a heroin addict is the very rare exception, if it happens at all. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...not-the-cause/

And the best studies show that addiction arising from legitimate chronic pain prescriptions is very rare. http://www.cochrane.org/CD006605/SYM...noncancer-pain

All of which is to say that there is certainly a problem, but for the most part it is a problem with people getting a hold of medications that were not prescribed for them, using them to party, and that developing into an addiction.

The most obvious way to address that problem is to prescribe in more limited amounts. My mother recently had a painful foot surgery. The doctor gave her sixty oxycodone. My mother reacted poorly, so the doctor gave her 60 dilaudid. She used little of either, so now there are 100+ capsules of the "good stuff" in a medicine cabinet that someone could take to a high school or college party and begin on the path to addiction.

It seems obvious, and relatively easy, that there should be a way to return the first one to the pharmacy before getting the second one. And ironically the prescribing requirements for schedule II drugs (the need for a paper prescription) make this worse, because the logistics involved make it easier for the doctor just to write a big amount rather than requiring a patient after surgery to return multiple times for paper prescriptions. It would be much better if the prescription could at least be filled a little at a time--15 pills now, and get more if you need them. And likewise, being able to fill by phone, or at least authorize a refill, would facilitate less pills being put out in the world.
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I think it's a pretty damn good idea. Should make the people that are going there enroll in drug therapy though.
It’s a terrible idea. Spend that money on prevention and recovery.
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You do get a whiff of urine smell from time to time there, but I've never seen anyone taking a shit in public, and have never been hit on by a gay guy.

Maybe they sense something in you........
Well it has been a long time, but it happened several times when I was big into the pool playing scene and was in that area. I was young and innocent looking back in the day.

The taking the shit between parked cars thing was only a few years ago and left a mark on my memory that will never, ever go away.

I felt sorry for the person, but then again, damn it. It would be horrible to be in a situation where that was your only option.

I saw something similar in Brazil about 10 years ago, sad situation. But at least they tried to be discreet.
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To put a finer point on this discussion, there is abundant evidence that the problem is not legitimate prescriptions of opioid medications for pain. It is, rather, the abuse of those medications by people to whom the medications were not prescribed. For example, although people keep repeating the fact that a large percentage of heroin users started with prescription medications, they usually fail to mention that the vast majority of them started with someone else's prescription. The story of the poor guy who got some percocet for his wisdom teeth and wound up a heroin addict is the very rare exception, if it happens at all. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...not-the-cause/

And the best studies show that addiction arising from legitimate chronic pain prescriptions is very rare. http://www.cochrane.org/CD006605/SYM...noncancer-pain

All of which is to say that there is certainly a problem, but for the most part it is a problem with people getting a hold of medications that were not prescribed for them, using them to party, and that developing into an addiction.

The most obvious way to address that problem is to prescribe in more limited amounts. My mother recently had a painful foot surgery. The doctor gave her sixty oxycodone. My mother reacted poorly, so the doctor gave her 60 dilaudid. She used little of either, so now there are 100+ capsules of the "good stuff" in a medicine cabinet that someone could take to a high school or college party and begin on the path to addiction.

It seems obvious, and relatively easy, that there should be a way to return the first one to the pharmacy before getting the second one. And ironically the prescribing requirements for schedule II drugs (the need for a paper prescription) make this worse, because the logistics involved make it easier for the doctor just to write a big amount rather than requiring a patient after surgery to return multiple times for paper prescriptions. It would be much better if the prescription could at least be filled a little at a time--15 pills now, and get more if you need them. And likewise, being able to fill by phone, or at least authorize a refill, would facilitate less pills being put out in the world.
Best post I have ever read of yours. Spot on.
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