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Old 02-12-2018, 07:10 AM  
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Last week marked the fifth anniversary of Colorado's decision to sanction the world's first anything-goes commercial pot trade.

Five years later, we remain an embarrassing cautionary tale.

Visitors to Colorado remark about a new agricultural smell, the wafting odor of pot as they drive near warehouse grow operations along Denver freeways. Residential neighborhoods throughout Colorado Springs reek of marijuana, as producers fill rental homes with plants.

Five years of retail pot coincide with five years of a homelessness growth rate that ranks among the highest rates in the country. Directors of homeless shelters, and people who live on the streets, tell us homeless substance abusers migrate here for easy access to pot.

Five years of Big Marijuana ushered in a doubling in the number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for marijuana, based on research by the pro-legalization Denver Post.

Five years of commercial pot have been five years of more marijuana in schools than teachers and administrators ever feared.

"An investigation by Education News Colorado, Solutions and the I-News Network shows drug violations reported by Colorado's K-12 schools have increased 45 percent in the past four years, even as the combined number of all other violations has fallen," explains an expose on escalating pot use in schools by Rocky Mountain PBS in late 2016.

The investigation found an increase in high school drug violations of 71 percent since legalization. School suspensions for drugs increased 45 percent.

The National Survey on Drug Use and Health found Colorado ranks first in the country for marijuana use among teens, scoring well above the national average.

The only good news to celebrate on this anniversary is the dawn of another organization to push back against Big Marijuana's threat to kids, teens and young adults.

The Marijuana Accountability Coalition formed Nov. 6 in Denver and will establish satellites throughout the state. It resulted from discussions among recovery professionals, parents, physicians and others concerned with the long-term effects of a commercial industry profiteering off of substance abuse.

"It's one thing to decriminalize marijuana, it's an entirely different thing to legalize an industry that has commercialized a drug that is devastating our kids and devastating whole communities," said coalition founder Justin Luke Riley. "Coloradans need to know, other states need to know, that Colorado is suffering from massive normalization and commercialization of this drug which has resulted in Colorado being the number one state for youth drug use in the country. Kids are being expelled at higher rates, and more road deaths tied to pot have resulted since legalization."

Commercial pot's five-year anniversary is an odious occasion for those who want safer streets, healthier kids and less suffering associated with substance abuse. Experts say the worst effects of widespread pot use will culminate over decades. If so, we can only imagine the somber nature of Big Marijuana's 25th birthday.

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Old 02-14-2018, 06:57 AM   #121
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I wonder what direction those abominations known as "truth" commercials are going to take as marijuana becomes more mainstream.
When marijuana is attributed to 480,000 deaths per year like cigarettes, I am sure we will cross that bridge.
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:09 AM   #122
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I wonder what direction those abominations known as "truth" commercials are going to take as marijuana becomes more mainstream.
You don't see ceilings and walls that prove a pot smoker used to live there...Cig's kill the lungs and pot smoke harms the vascular system.

Overall "Truth" ads seem to work. I just wish that truth's are alway combated with other truths (million dollar a month ad campaigns) that are worded differently to make it look better for the ones making money from it.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:23 AM   #123
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When marijuana is attributed to 480,000 deaths per year like cigarettes, I am sure we will cross that bridge.
I agree with this..
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:52 AM   #124
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When marijuana is attributed to 480,000 deaths per year like cigarettes, I am sure we will cross that bridge.
I'd also venture to guess that we're ruining a lot more lives through overcriminalization than we are through legalization. That's not even getting into the public health benefit of reducing our medical reliance on opiods
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:21 AM   #125
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I'd also venture to guess that we're ruining a lot more lives through overcriminalization than we are through legalization. That's not even getting into the public health benefit of reducing our medical reliance on opiods
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:24 AM   #126
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Shit, does anyone know of a time where kids in HS didnt get drunk and get high? Football team did it, white kids, black kids. Asians, even some nerds i knew were getting high. MInd you my HS days were the early 90's. I think the first time i tried drinking and smoking was 1989ish and i was in middle school. I didnt smoke it everyday, but i tried it once or twice at that age.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:57 PM   #127
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Shit, does anyone know of a time where kids in HS didnt get drunk and get high? Football team did it, white kids, black kids. Asians, even some nerds i knew were getting high. MInd you my HS days were the early 90's. I think the first time i tried drinking and smoking was 1989ish and i was in middle school. I didnt smoke it everyday, but i tried it once or twice at that age.
The Asian kids had the best weed.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:05 PM   #128
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Five years of retail pot coincide with five years of a homelessness growth rate that ranks among the highest rates in the country. Directors of homeless shelters, and people who live on the streets, tell us homeless substance abusers migrate here for easy access to pot.
It's one of very few places where it is legal. Of course it's going to attract it's share of bums. If it was legal everywhere, they wouldn't be showing up.

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Five years of Big Marijuana ushered in a doubling in the number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for marijuana, based on research by the pro-legalization Denver Post.
Again, it's legal there. Therefore more people smoke it. So more people that are involved in fatal accidents have it in their systems. It stays in there a while. Was it the cause of the accident? Were they impaired?

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Five years of commercial pot have been five years of more marijuana in schools than teachers and administrators ever feared.

"An investigation by Education News Colorado, Solutions and the I-News Network shows drug violations reported by Colorado's K-12 schools have increased 45 percent in the past four years, even as the combined number of all other violations has fallen," explains an expose on escalating pot use in schools by Rocky Mountain PBS in late 2016.
So all other violations have fallen. And pot can't get ANY of the credit for that? Can some of that decrease be a result of less violent teenagers?

****ing reefer madness indeed.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:34 PM   #129
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Five years of Big Marijuana ushered in a doubling in the number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for marijuana, based on research by the pro-legalization Denver Post.
Again, it's legal there. Therefore more people smoke it. So more people that are involved in fatal accidents have it in their systems. It stays in there a while. Was it the cause of the accident? Were they impaired?
Wrong tests for THC in the blood are only conclusive within hours, in the urine weeks. You can also pass a urine test when blood test says you toasted but the window is small



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Five years of commercial pot have been five years of more marijuana in schools than teachers and administrators ever feared.

"An investigation by Education News Colorado, Solutions and the I-News Network shows drug violations reported by Colorado's K-12 schools have increased 45 percent in the past four years, even as the combined number of all other violations has fallen," explains an expose on escalating pot use in schools by Rocky Mountain PBS in late 2016.
So all other violations have fallen. And pot can't get ANY of the credit for that? Can some of that decrease be a result of less violent teenagers?

****ing reefer madness indeed.
That is not a valid statement, just too lazy to give the facts or the % decrease was really low. No, you have nothing to base that statement on. How the **** do you know it was a decrease in violence?
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:32 PM   #130
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Wrong tests for THC in the blood are only conclusive within hours, in the urine weeks. You can also pass a urine test when blood test says you toasted but the window is small
I don't know what your point is. Are you making one? The article didn't state what type of test they did. And I'm not sure it matters. The article just said more people involved in fatal crashes tested positive for weed. If twice as many people in the population are smoking it, it makes perfect sense that twice the number of people involved in fatal crashes would test positive for it. None of that says anything about causation.


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That is not a valid statement, just too lazy to give the facts or the % decrease was really low. No, you have nothing to base that statement on. How the **** do you know it was a decrease in violence?
I know that they said ALL other violations have fallen. One has to believe that violent incidents are included under the term ALL.
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I don't know what your point is. Are you making one? The article didn't state what type of test they did. And I'm not sure it matters. The article just said more people involved in fatal crashes tested positive for weed. If twice as many people in the population are smoking it, it makes perfect sense that twice the number of people involved in fatal crashes would test positive for it. None of that says anything about causation.


The only legal test for THC is a blood test, urine test shows that your body is getting rid of waste caused by THC.

I know that they said ALL other violations have fallen. One has to believe that violent incidents are included under the term ALL.
One does't HAS to believe shit, I hope you never do jury duty....I said that that whole statement was bullshit because of generalization and ....
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One does't HAS to believe shit, I hope you never do jury duty....I said that that whole statement was bullshit because of generalization and ....
Man, you need to cut back on the weed you're smoking.

That stuff is making you go nuts. Chill dude.
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Just curious for the future, but ultimately, hoping that normalizing marijuana will make those commercials go away.

Every commercial they do just oozes condescension and desperation to be teen-friendly, Internet-savvy, social media-conscious, and modern. However, marijuana is much more popular than tobacco within that demographic.

And say the oft-reviled tobacco companies assume a large role in the marijuana industry. It would be interesting to see where the "truth" message goes...especially if, after years of normalized marijuana use, we start seeing some negative health/societal issues.
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Just curious for the future, but ultimately, hoping that normalizing marijuana will make those commercials go away.

Every commercial they do just oozes condescension and desperation to be teen-friendly, Internet-savvy, social media-conscious, and modern. However, marijuana is much more popular than tobacco within that demographic.

And say the oft-reviled tobacco companies assume a large role in the marijuana industry. It would be interesting to see where the "truth" message goes...especially if, after years of normalized marijuana use, we start seeing some negative health/societal issues.
It will be a refreshing change from the "not reviled enough" bullshit we hear from big pharma for years and years and years.
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Just curious for the future, but ultimately, hoping that normalizing marijuana will make those commercials go away.

Every commercial they do just oozes condescension and desperation to be teen-friendly, Internet-savvy, social media-conscious, and modern. However, marijuana is much more popular than tobacco within that demographic.

And say the oft-reviled tobacco companies assume a large role in the marijuana industry. It would be interesting to see where the "truth" message goes...especially if, after years of normalized marijuana use, we start seeing some negative health/societal issues.
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