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Old 02-13-2018, 04:26 PM  
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Trump pitches plan to replace food stamps with food boxes

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The Trump administration is proposing to save billions in the coming years by giving low-income families a box of government-picked, nonperishable foods every month instead of food stamps.

White House OMB Director Mick Mulvaney on Monday hailed the idea as one that kept up with the modern era, calling it a "Blue Apron-type program" — a nod to the high-end meal kit delivery company that had one of the worst stock debuts in 2017 and has struggled to hold onto customers. Mulvaney said the administration’s plan would not only save the government money, but also provide people with more nutritious food than they have now.

The proposal, buried in the White House’s fiscal 2019 budget, would replace about half of the money most families receive via the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps, with what the Department of Agriculture is calling “America’s Harvest Box.” That package would be made up of "100 percent U.S. grown and produced food" and would include items like shelf-stable milk, peanut butter, canned fruits and meats, and cereal.

But America’s Harvest Box, which USDA contends would save over $129 billion over 10 years, is not very comparable to startup meal-delivery companies like Blue Apron. For one, the Trump administration’s proposal doesn’t include fresh items, like produce or meat, which are the core of Blue Apron and its competitors. Such products perish quickly and are incredibly expensive to ship.

Asked about how delivery would work, USDA spokesman Tim Murtaugh clarified that states would “have flexibility” in how they choose to distribute the food to SNAP recipients. In other words, the federal government almost certainly would not be picking up the tab for any type of Amazon-style delivery system. “The projected savings does not include shipping door-to-door for all recipients,” Murtaugh said.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue praised the harvest box plan as “a bold, innovative approach” that would give SNAP participants the same “level of food value” as the current system while saving taxpayers money.

The idea that USDA would provide millions of low-income people packages of food on a national scale has not been floated by conservative think tanks, promoted by industry, or sought by previous administrations. Murtaugh said the concept was developed internally at USDA. Mulvaney on Monday credited Perdue for it during a briefing at the White House.

"Secretary Perdue wanted to give it a chance," he said. "We thought it was a tremendous idea."

Numerous questions remain, such as how these boxes would be customized for, say, a family that has a child with nut allergies — or for those who don't eat certain types of meat out of religious or personal reasons. The proposal was so out of left field that some anti-hunger advocates initially thought it was a joke.

Kevin Concannon, who oversaw SNAP during the Obama administration, was aghast when he saw the proposal.

“Holy mackerel," said Concannon, who said it reminded him of when poor people had to line up and wait for local officials to dole out food and other welfare benefits. "I don’t know where this came from, but I suspect that the folks when they were drawing it up were also watching silent movies.”

Other anti-hunger advocates said the concept was reminiscent of wartime rations or soup lines during the Great Depression. The Food Research and Action Center, a prominent nonprofit group, called the harvest box idea “a Rube-Goldberg designed system” that would be “costly, inefficient, stigmatizing, and prone to failure.”

In budget materials, USDA said it would be able to deliver this food at "approximately half the retail cost," a claim advocates found hard to believe. Food-stamp recipients would get their remaining monthly allotment on debit cards that they can use in grocery stores, as they do now. The proposal applies to households receiving at least $90 a month in benefits, which covers more than 80 percent of SNAP recipients. That’s more than 16 million households.

“This proposal focuses on ensuring that all SNAP recipients receive the nutritious food they need at substantial savings by harnessing USDA’s purchasing power and America’s agricultural abundance,” Murtaugh told POLITICO.

Grocery retailers also balked at the proposal, including the Food Marketing Institute — which represents major retailers like Walmart, Kroger and Albertsons, where tens of billions of dollars in SNAP benefits are spent each year. The industry argues that government-packed food boxes would simply be inefficient.

Jennifer Hatcher, the trade group's chief public policy officer, said grocery retailers had worked with USDA and Congress over many years to “achieve a national system, utilizing existing commercial infrastructure and technology to achieve the greatest efficiency, availability and lowest cost."

"As we understand the proposal in the president's budget to create a USDA commodity foods box of staples, each of these achievements would be lost,” Hatcher said. "Perhaps this proposal would save money in one account, but based on our decades of experience in the program, it would increase costs in other areas that would negate any savings.”

Administration officials pointed out that USDA already distributes commodities. Currently, such food items are largely shipped to schools, food banks and other organizations — which in turn distribute the food to those who need it. The Commodity Supplemental Food Program, for example, sends boxes of food to some 600,000 low-income elderly with the help of food banks and other nonprofits. The fiscal 2019 budget seeks to eliminate that program and combine it with the harvest box program.

However, a plan for SNAP recipients would be an exponentially larger undertaking, covering more than 16 million households. While grocery and meal-delivery companies are growing more common, their scale is still relatively small and largely confined to urban areas. Blue Apron, for example, has around 1 million customers.

There are also questions about how the government would get harvest boxes to rural and remote households and whether cutting SNAP benefits spent in stores would hurt mom-and-pop stores in small communities.

“This action would not only destabilize attempts to bring more healthy, fresh foods into the homes of America’s food insecure, but would keep dollars out of local grocery stores and farmers markets, which are critical assets to all communities,” said Jordan Rasmussen, a policy associate at the Center for Rural Affairs, a progressive rural advocacy group.

Concannon, who retired from USDA at the end of the Obama administration, noted that it would ultimately be up to Congress on whether to fund such a proposal — something he said that lawmakers on Capitol Hill weren’t likely to be even remotely interested in creating.

“Even the people who put this forward have to know that the chances of this happening is the same chance of me captaining the next spaceship launching from Florida,” he said.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:19 PM   #76
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Meet me half way.....change the code where food stamps can only be used for food. No vacations, no pedicures, no soda, and require photo iD to use your card.



It's up to you how to pay for your GPC cigs, but I'd suggest a job.


Not the same topic, but I know some 4th generation welfare families who have no intention of working and they'll say it out loud. Annoys the hell out of me.
At the same time, I know of kids who sneak backpacks of food home on weekends because their dope head "parents" aren't using the welfare for food.

*local school has an in house food pantry. families have access. Kids also can get backpacks of foods they can make and take home on weekends.

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Old 02-14-2018, 02:30 PM   #78
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Meet me half way.....change the code where food stamps can only be used for food. No vacations, no pedicures, no soda, and require photo iD to use your card.



It's up to you how to pay for your GPC cigs, but I'd suggest a job.


Not the same topic, but I know some 4th generation welfare families who have no intention of working and they'll say it out loud. Annoys the hell out of me.
At the same time, I know of kids who sneak backpacks of food home on weekends because their dope head "parents" aren't using the welfare for food.
Lol, GPC cigarettes. There’s a long lost name from my youth.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:51 PM   #79
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This is a $12,000 Escalade i just pulled right from CarFax's site.


That's $200-$250 a month for a car payment, which is entry level. Cheaper if you have good credit.

When people cite these ridiculous anecdotes about the poor having nice cars, i wonder if they understand how depreciation works, and how the poor are able to get these "nice new cars".
Is 12k really an acceptable "on food stamps" entry level vehicle?
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:52 PM   #80
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No country in the world is willing to do this. Please stop.
They do, actually. The United States spent 618.7 billion on 2016 (when OBAMA was in office). I'm sure that Trump is now in office it's set to go up a great deal. And that was BY FAR AND AWAY the most of ANY country. EVEN ****ing CHINA. Who has the most people in the world, and they are only at 171.4 billion. Let that sink in.

That means that while CHINA has FIVE TIMES as many people as we do, we pay almost FOUR TIMES as much as they do on military expenditure. If you don't think that is ****ing ridiculous, I don't know what to tell you.

While we are at it, lets look at what other countries similar to our size spend on military expenditure
1. Merica 618.7 BILLION
2. China 171.4 BILLION
3. Russia 84.9 BILLION
5. INDIA 55.8 BILLION (2nd largest country in the world)
13. Brazil 22.8 BILLION (5th largest country in the world)
28. Indonesia 7.7 Billion (4th largest country in the world)

Do we really need to build more ****ing tanks? I mean what in the actual ****?
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WIC is by far the easiest system to abuse. ESPECIALLY the vouchers they give for baby formula.

The problem with a voucher system is that vouchers can be bought and sold.
Not from what I have seen. The vouchers have the authorized person/persons name on the slips. If they are detached from that slip they are void. People can trade anything including Trumps boxes. You are not going to stop everything. If you make it to where they are not good for buying soda, snacks, microwaveable foods, seafood, steaks etc. it will make them all but not worth trading.
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This. My wife was on WIC 27 years ago with our first child (we were'nt married at the time) and I remember thinking that it was a good way to make sure that people were getting stuff they needed rather than bullshit.

Having said that, we were also on food stamps for about 6 months. You were not allowed to buy cigarettes or booze with them. You could of course sell the food stamps (which I never did, but I definitely bought food for some of my friends because they gave me so much more than I needed in food stamps) but I thought having an electronic debit card eliminated that.
No people just go into the store and purchase what the other persons want and then those people give them the cash for it.
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Where does giving corporations like Wal Mart tax cuts have any damn relevance to this?
Cutting a social program that helps people and giving that money to a corporation that pays wages that force their employees to be on those very same social programs, not to mention that WalMart tells its employees to use those programs and helps them get onto those programs. The government then turns around and gives WalMart even more revenue for hiring/employing people that are low income, disabled.
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Alt-right... educate yourself...the tax cuts Jobs and wage growth, combined with immigration reform will be the biggest help to the SNAP program...
The tax cuts have not created jobs most corporations have made decisions to send more jobs outside our borders or simply reduced their staff all together. Since Trump has taken office we have seen the least amount of job growth since 2008.
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They do, actually. The United States spent 618.7 billion on 2016 (when OBAMA was in office). I'm sure that Trump is now in office it's set to go up a great deal. And that was BY FAR AND AWAY the most of ANY country. EVEN ****ing CHINA. Who has the most people in the world, and they are only at 171.4 billion. Let that sink in.

That means that while CHINA has FIVE TIMES as many people as we do, we pay almost FOUR TIMES as much as they do on military expenditure. If you don't think that is ****ing ridiculous, I don't know what to tell you.

While we are at it, lets look at what other countries similar to our size spend on military expenditure
1. Merica 618.7 BILLION
2. China 171.4 BILLION
3. Russia 84.9 BILLION
5. INDIA 55.8 BILLION (2nd largest country in the world)
13. Brazil 22.8 BILLION (5th largest country in the world)
28. Indonesia 7.7 Billion (4th largest country in the world)

Do we really need to build more ****ing tanks? I mean what in the actual ****?
China doesn't need to spend nearly as much on defense. They have virtually no research and development expense, they steal most of their tech from us.

We are hated throughout the world. One could argue that is our own doing, but one way or the other, the fact remains. Plenty of nations do pay lip service to us as long as them American Benjamin's keep coming in. But let that stop, for whatever reason, and you will be damn glad we have that super expensive military.

I'm not sure how close you follow my posts, but I am as fiscally conservative (tight ass, penny pincher ) as anybody on this board. And even I do not want much if any cut to military spending. I do want to see it spent smarter, but that is a different discussion.
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Is 12k really an acceptable "on food stamps" entry level vehicle?
Heh. I've never been on any type of assistance my entire life, and I've only purchased one vehicle that was over $12k, and that was last year, and I'm 49 freaking years old.

So I would say....no.
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"Welfare Queen" is just another boogieman the Republicans like to scare their constituents with. Does it happen? Sure. But it's not nearly as prevalent as they make it seem.

Basing policy on the actions of a small percentage of the people it's supposed to help is moronic.
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Who here doesn’t support feeding hungry people?
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Good luck getting the larger grocery chains to buy into this along with Coke & PepsiCo.

And if you want to know what you can & cannot buy with SNAP, Google is your friend; https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items
Why did nobody quote and recognize the correct answer as to why the government won’t do what Trump is proposing?

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Seems impractical but I wonder how many would drop off the food stamp rolls and get a job?
Alternately, I wonder how long before they found a way to somehow make contraband out of the food shipments.


You really should learn that snap benefits are limited to the underemployed or the elderly or disabled. You must work or be in a training program to get benefits. Just because you are employed doesn't mean you don'y live in poverty.

A provision in the 1996 welfare reform law limited individuals who are over age 18 and under 50 to three months of SNAP benefits out of every three years unless they are working or in a work or training program 20 hours a week.

I recall reading that most households either are underemployed or have young children creating hardships to be employed.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/a-quic...y-and-benefits

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