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Old 02-13-2018, 11:59 PM  
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Comey: Flynn didn't actually lie

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Old 02-14-2018, 02:14 AM   #2
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So, after the 60's and 70's where the FBI proved to be completely immoral and without any hint of regard for the law now questioning them is out of bounds?
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:50 AM   #3
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What’s interesting is the Judge recused himself immediately after Flynn plead guilty. Now the new judge has ordered Mueller to turn over all materials to the defense.

The whole thing is completely shady.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:53 AM   #4
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Trump said he did, there's obviously more to the story.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:22 AM   #5
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Trump said he did, there's obviously more to the story.
Trump said he lied to Pence, which isnít a crime. The FBI was running around assuring lawmakers that Flynn didnít lie. We still donít know exactly what Flynn lied about to the FBI/Strozok, who by the way was reassigned due to bias/improper behavior.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:35 AM   #6
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Trump said he lied to Pence, which isnít a crime. The FBI was running around assuring lawmakers that Flynn didnít lie. We still donít know exactly what Flynn lied about to the FBI/Strozok, who by the way was reassigned due to bias/improper behavior.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...o-fbi-pence%2F

I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:01 PM   #7
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Well, Flynn did eventually plead guilty to one count of lying to them, even though the FBI at the time did not believe he had lied about anything.

The FBI was wiretapping these conversations, and they found nothing about them to be unlawful. The FBI never claimed that Flynn had lied to them in those interviews. Maybe he lied by claiming, because of the optics at the time, that they didn't discuss sanctions when they did - even though it would not be illegal for him to have done so.

The Obama admin's AG tried to use a piece of 18th century legislation that has never been used to prosecute anyone as a pretext to investigate him. And when that turned up nothing, they still went ahead trying to build a sinuous argument that he had violated an ancient statute that was signed into law by the 2nd president, which he clearly did not, or he wouldn't be pleading to a single lying count.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:03 PM   #8
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:06 PM   #9
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Well, Flynn did eventually plead guilty to one count of lying to them, even though the FBI at the time did not believe he had lied about anything.

The FBI was wiretapping these conversations, and they found nothing about them to be unlawful. The FBI never claimed that Flynn had lied to them in those interviews. Maybe he lied by claiming, because of the optics at the time, that they didn't discuss sanctions when they did - even though it would not be illegal for him to have done so.

What else could really be there? There's nothing remarkable about a national security adviser discussing foreign affairs with another nation's ambassador.

The Obama admin's AG tried to use a piece of 18th century legislation that has never been used to prosecute anyone as a pretext to investigate him. And when that turned up nothing, they still went ahead trying to build a sinuous argument that he had violated an ancient statute that was signed into law by the 2nd president, which he clearly did not, or he wouldn't be pleading to a single lying count.
I'm pretty sure he did lie but I'm also guessing it was a minor lie that most of the time they don't prosecute and simply allow a correction to be submitted. So if that is the case, why would he plead guilty? Because they had more direct evidence on other issues with him and/or his son. He basically decided to play ball and let them know all he knows to keep his son out of prison and keep the charges against him light. Now that's speculation but that's what makes the most sense. You don't please guilty to a minor charge like this and completely cut off communication with the Trump team unless something like that goes down.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:12 PM   #10
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I'm pretty sure he did lie but I'm also guessing it was a minor lie that most of the time they don't prosecute and simply allow a correction to be submitted. So if that is the case, why would he plead guilty? Because they had more direct evidence on other issues with him and/or his son. He basically decided to play ball and let them know all he knows to keep his son out of prison and keep the charges against him light. Now that's speculation but that's what makes the most sense. You don't please guilty to a minor charge like this and completely cut off communication with the Trump team unless something like that goes down.
Based on the evidence we have, it's far more likely he was caught in some minor lie after foolishly meeting with them without a lawyer present - which is not something that a person with major crimes to hide would ever do.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:33 PM   #11
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"Innocent until you go broke and have to cop to a plea deal so that the prosecutor can protect his reputation..."
Exactly why he coped a plea. Mueller has infinite resources and has no restrictions with more than a dozen lawyers.
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:33 AM   #12
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1. Mueller had a chance to secure the sentencing of Michael Flynn and bag his first conviction. But he didn't. He asked the court, instead, for a 90-day delay (May 1). Why? Democrats can't explain it.

2. Yesterday, it was reported that Comey told lawmakers that Flynn didn't actually lie to the FBI, and that any inaccuracies were unintentional.

3. Today, Mueller filed a motion for "a protective order governing the production of discovery" by the Flynn team. He is basically sharing everything he has with the Flynn team. This is a huge hand tip by Muller, because Flynn's team can share this information with anyone connected to the case (Trump?). This move signals that Mueller believes Flynn is innocent and is giving him the tools to prove it. Mueller is working with the Flynn team to exonerate him.



Why is Mueller taking actions that have the potential completely upend his investigation and implicate FBI agents? There is no way to stress enough the significance Mueller sharing all his evidence with the Flynn team, and everyone directly connected to Flynn's case.

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Old 02-15-2018, 08:09 AM   #13
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Trump said he did, there's obviously more to the story.
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"Trump said Flynn did this, so you can be sure he's not lying!"
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:29 AM   #14
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"Trump said Flynn did this, so you can be sure he's not lying!"
People generally lie for a reason. When somebody lacks incentive to lie, they are usually telling the truth. Trump had no motive to lie and make his former NSA director look worse than he is, therefore his statement can be taken at face value.

But you know that, you were just being disingenous. Your trademark.
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:58 PM   #15
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"Trump said Flynn did this, so you can be sure he's not lying!"
No, you just seem convinced Trump doesn't lie. Well, he's the one who said Flynn lied so you might want to check the mirror for the hypocrisy.
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