Russell Wilson - Page 4

melbar · 04-11-2012, 08:52 PM

Watched QB camp with Gruden and was very impressed. Would love to get him in the 3rd. I think he has potential to be special. Height is the ONLY reason he isnt top 10. Anyone else see him much?

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Analysis
Accuracy: Was the nation's most efficient quarterback in 2011, earning a 191.78 QB rating -- over 22 points higher than the next highest rated QB from a pro-style offense (Andrew Luck) … Showcased the ability to consistently throw receivers open versus single coverage as a senior, demonstrating impressive improvement in this area from his time at NC State … Delivers a tight spiral that is easily tracked and caught. Typically hits his receivers in stride whether on zipped crossing routes, touch passes dropped over the top of defenders or line drives leading receivers out of bounds on the deep out.

Arm Strength: Arguably Wilson's most impressive trait, especially considering his lack of ideal size. Can easily make every NFL throw, showing the ability to drive the football to the sideline on a line from the opposite hash. Can send the ball 40-50 yards downfield with a flick of his wrist.

Setup/Release: Efficient set-up and delivery of the ball. Experienced taking snaps from under center and shotgun. Drops back quickly and shows good rhythm and timing despite limited experience playing with Wisconsin's receivers, planting his back foot and driving the quick slant. Has a quick, over the top release and does an excellent job of finding clear passing lanes from which to throw.

Reading Defenses: Cerebral quarterback who is rarely fooled by coverage. Makes strong pre-snap reads and demonstrated improvement as a senior in manipulating the defense with his eyes and legs. Shows good poise in a muddy pocket, stepping up to avoid the rush and challenging linebackers to either commit to stopping him from scrambling or dropping off to cover receivers behind them. Is more than willing to scramble but does a nice job of keeping his eyes downfield until the last possible second.

On The Move: Very good elusiveness and speed for the position but his most impressive trait may be his vision. Anticipates pressure well and does a nice job of forcing the defense to commit and taking advantage of the weakness exposed once they do. Very good mobility for bootlegs and roll outs, showing good accuracy and arm strength to fire passes downfield.

Intangibles: Voted a team captain at NC State and Wisconsin … Attempted 379 passes between interceptions -- the longest streak in NCAA history -- over a two year span of 13 games in 2009-10. Finished his collegiate career 30-20, including 11-3 as a senior … Wilson was drafted in the fourth round of the 2009 MLB draft by the Colorado Rockies. The second baseman hit .229 with five home runs and 26 RBIs in the Northwest and South Atlantic leagues. Wilson notified the Rockies in January 2012 that he will pursue playing in the NFL over baseball … Good bloodlines. His father, the late Harrison Wilson III, played football and baseball at Dartmouth and spent time on the San Diego Chargers' practice squad …

**RealSNR** · 04-14-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

He planted a foot in Nebraska's ass. Now, if you want to comment on if Nebraska is a top school in their conference, then feel free.

Wisconsin was challenging for the Big X title WITHOUT Russell Wilson. When he signed on, this entire town lit up like a damn Christmas tree.

He ended up giving us a regular season with one more loss than Scott ****ing Tolzein.

I watched the Nebraska game. Wilson was electric. I was ultra pumped for the future after watching him in that game. I also watched the Michigan State game. A game we could have won, should have won, and didn't win. Wilson stalled the offense the entire 2nd and 3rd quarter, allowing Michigan State to build up a lead. We tied it up in the 4th only to be beaten on a heartbreaking hail mary from Kirk Cousins on the last play of the game. The Badger defense was shit that game. Dog shit. But it was dog shit all year. In those situations Wilson can not let off the gas, but that's exactly what happened.

Once again, Wilson did everything he possibly could against Oregon. I understand that loss. That one was Wilson's fault as much as the Chiefs' 2003 playoff loss to the Colts was Trent Green's fault.

Anyway, I definitely won't be disappointed if we draft Wilson. I just don't want us to reach on him as high as the 4th round and place large looming expectations on the guy. He's not that QB. I don't know if he ever will be. It definitely can't hurt to find out I guess, though. For the right price.

O.city · 04-14-2012, 12:02 PM

He struggled throwing it in the Senior bowl iirc. No velocity.

**RealSNR** · 04-14-2012, 12:09 PM

Just watched the QB Camp video you're talking about. I knew Wilson was extremely bright and football smart but holy shit. This guy has the brains to be a Peyton Manning

**Dave Lane** · 04-14-2012, 12:22 PM

OK after watching a few videos of Wilson I understand the appeal. After seeing and hearing of his horrific Senior Bowl game / week I wrote him off. Its one thing to hang a bunch of points on a team like Nebraska but when faced with talent he folded.

I think he'll be there in the 5th 6th. Size and a senior bowl collapse hurt him.

lostcause · 04-14-2012, 12:26 PM

Gives me the solid career backup impression.

saphojunkie · 04-14-2012, 03:26 PM

My older brother was obsessed with watching Wilson all year, and thusly forced me to watch with him.

Wilson has absolutely every tool except height. He is incredibly smart, high character, understands the offense, mobile, pocket awareness, and has an accurate CANNON.

If he were 6'3, he'd be contending RG3 for the second QB taken.

blazzin311 · 04-14-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

My older brother was obsessed with watching Wilson all year, and thusly forced me to watch with him.

Wilson has absolutely every tool except height. He is incredibly smart, high character, understands the offense, mobile, pocket awareness, and has an accurate CANNON.

If he were 6'3, he'd be contending RG3 for the second QB taken.

That's the exact same impression I get from watching a bit of tape on him. He's got all the tools except for height.....however he played behind a offensive line at Wisconsin that averaged 6'6" or taller. So really I don't know if height would be an issue for him in the NFL. Everything else is there with this kid though. Gonna be a really interesting draft weekend to say the least!

suds79 · 04-14-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

My older brother was obsessed with watching Wilson all year, and thusly forced me to watch with him.

Wilson has absolutely every tool except height. He is incredibly smart, high character, understands the offense, mobile, pocket awareness, and has an accurate CANNON.

If he were 6'3, he'd be contending RG3 for the second QB taken.

Probably true. But here's the thing. Because he IS 5'11, he'll never be given a shot. If this is the QB you're hoping the Chiefs take a shot on, I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Particularly with Pioli. He has always liked big, tall QBs.

Honestly I don't think would matter much. There are 2 6'0 QBs in the league but those guys are the exceptions rather than the rules.

I think a Senica Wallace type of career is about the best Russel can hope for.

melbar · 04-14-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

OK after watching a few videos of Wilson I understand the appeal. After seeing and hearing of his horrific Senior Bowl game / week I wrote him off. Its one thing to hang a bunch of points on a team like Nebraska but when faced with talent he folded.

I think he'll be there in the 5th 6th. Size and a senior bowl collapse hurt him.

I think senior bowl is a little harder on QB than other positions unless you have a couple of recievers from your team to throw to. Same reason a lot of guys wait till pro- day. Reciever timing. Unfamiliar recievers who are all jacked up.

Blick · 04-14-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I think senior bowl is a little harder on QB than other positions unless you have a couple of recievers from your team to throw to. Same reason a lot of guys wait till pro- day. Reciever timing. Unfamiliar recievers who are all jacked up.

Yeah, the Senior Bowl doesn't really mean a lot to me. It's just another thing to evaluate like the combine. I think people read too much into it.

Just do a quick google search with random years and you'll find guys like Chad Henne and yes, even Tyler Palko on the "Stock Up" list after the Senior Bowl.

Anyway, I was late to the party on Wilson, but I really like him.

Suds is probably right in that he won't be given much of a chance because of his size, and he will probably be a career backup like Seneca Wallace, which is unfortunate, because he's a hell of a lot better passer.

melbar · 04-16-2012, 08:43 PM

Just watched the whole qb camp thing start to finish. Gurden calls him the steal of the draft and "guarantees" people look back later and see the beginning of a great career. If you havent watched, you should. Showed him having great comebacks only to lose to 2 hail marys and a blown ref whistle. Guys gonna be great!

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 08:45 PM

There are some extraordinarily smart QBs coming out this year.

Luck
RG3
Weeden
Cousins
Wilson
Moore

Probably a couple others I haven't looked at as in depth. But yeah, some "fall in love" candidates in the interview room.

O.city · 04-16-2012, 08:48 PM

For me, Qbs in the NFL have to be exceptional at something to survive. Not good, but top shelf great.

Manning is smart and accurate. Brady has the same things with a little more arm strength. Rodgers has a cannon. Stafford has a mega cannon. Cam has talent oozing out of everywhere.

I don't see that with most of these smart qbs. I guess they bring smarts, which by all means is great but it's tough to get by on that alone.

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 08:51 PM

You guys, this QB camp is nothign compared to Kirk Cousins.

Cousins shines.

O.city · 04-16-2012, 08:52 PM

Not sure if serious?

04-11-2012, 08:52 PM
melbar Hillbilly Pharoh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Branson MO. Casino cash: $10004900	Russell Wilson Watched QB camp with Gruden and was very impressed. Would love to get him in the 3rd. I think he has potential to be special. Height is the ONLY reason he isnt top 10. Anyone else see him much? CBSsports Analysis Accuracy: Was the nation's most efficient quarterback in 2011, earning a 191.78 QB rating -- over 22 points higher than the next highest rated QB from a pro-style offense (Andrew Luck) … Showcased the ability to consistently throw receivers open versus single coverage as a senior, demonstrating impressive improvement in this area from his time at NC State … Delivers a tight spiral that is easily tracked and caught. Typically hits his receivers in stride whether on zipped crossing routes, touch passes dropped over the top of defenders or line drives leading receivers out of bounds on the deep out. Arm Strength: Arguably Wilson's most impressive trait, especially considering his lack of ideal size. Can easily make every NFL throw, showing the ability to drive the football to the sideline on a line from the opposite hash. Can send the ball 40-50 yards downfield with a flick of his wrist. Setup/Release: Efficient set-up and delivery of the ball. Experienced taking snaps from under center and shotgun. Drops back quickly and shows good rhythm and timing despite limited experience playing with Wisconsin's receivers, planting his back foot and driving the quick slant. Has a quick, over the top release and does an excellent job of finding clear passing lanes from which to throw. Reading Defenses: Cerebral quarterback who is rarely fooled by coverage. Makes strong pre-snap reads and demonstrated improvement as a senior in manipulating the defense with his eyes and legs. Shows good poise in a muddy pocket, stepping up to avoid the rush and challenging linebackers to either commit to stopping him from scrambling or dropping off to cover receivers behind them. Is more than willing to scramble but does a nice job of keeping his eyes downfield until the last possible second. On The Move: Very good elusiveness and speed for the position but his most impressive trait may be his vision. Anticipates pressure well and does a nice job of forcing the defense to commit and taking advantage of the weakness exposed once they do. Very good mobility for bootlegs and roll outs, showing good accuracy and arm strength to fire passes downfield. Intangibles: Voted a team captain at NC State and Wisconsin … Attempted 379 passes between interceptions -- the longest streak in NCAA history -- over a two year span of 13 games in 2009-10. Finished his collegiate career 30-20, including 11-3 as a senior … Wilson was drafted in the fourth round of the 2009 MLB draft by the Colorado Rockies. The second baseman hit .229 with five home runs and 26 RBIs in the Northwest and South Atlantic leagues. Wilson notified the Rockies in January 2012 that he will pursue playing in the NFL over baseball … Good bloodlines. His father, the late Harrison Wilson III, played football and baseball at Dartmouth and spent time on the San Diego Chargers' practice squad …
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4786250	My older brother was obsessed with watching Wilson all year, and thusly forced me to watch with him. Wilson has absolutely every tool except height. He is incredibly smart, high character, understands the offense, mobile, pocket awareness, and has an accurate CANNON. If he were 6'3, he'd be contending RG3 for the second QB taken.
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04-16-2012, 08:43 PM	#56
melbar Hillbilly Pharoh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Branson MO. Casino cash: $10004900	Just watched the whole qb camp thing start to finish. Gurden calls him the steal of the draft and "guarantees" people look back later and see the beginning of a great career. If you havent watched, you should. Showed him having great comebacks only to lose to 2 hail marys and a blown ref whistle. Guys gonna be great! __________________
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04-16-2012, 08:45 PM	#57
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	There are some extraordinarily smart QBs coming out this year. Luck RG3 Weeden Cousins Wilson Moore Probably a couple others I haven't looked at as in depth. But yeah, some "fall in love" candidates in the interview room.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	For me, Qbs in the NFL have to be exceptional at something to survive. Not good, but top shelf great. Manning is smart and accurate. Brady has the same things with a little more arm strength. Rodgers has a cannon. Stafford has a mega cannon. Cam has talent oozing out of everywhere. I don't see that with most of these smart qbs. I guess they bring smarts, which by all means is great but it's tough to get by on that alone.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	You guys, this QB camp is nothign compared to Kirk Cousins. Cousins shines.
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