The constant negativity is tiresome. Who is ready to join me and move on?

[BigRedChief]

I'm finding this constant negativity tiresome. We have sucked for years. We were an embarrassment. A big ****ing joke. I'm done with the negativity.

I wanted Geno. I think we overpaid for Smith. I'm scratching my head over some of their moves.

Reid and Dorsey obviously have a plan. For crissakes, Reid watched every down of every player for the whole ****ing year before he even met with Clark. I'm going to give them AT LEAST a half a season before I start calling them dumb-asses and screaming for their head.

I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity by choosing to not scream and yell and be totally pissed off by the moves so far. If you think so, you are entitled to you opinion.

I was an early and financial supporter of SOC. Season ticket holder for years. I think anyone would label me a hard core Chiefs fan. Just like most of the posters on this board. We deserve better than we have been given by our team. I will be a Chiefs fan until I become worm food. Lifes too short to go around pissed all the time. I did enough of that the last few years.

I'm going to chose to hope that Reid and Dorseys plan is sound and will result in the return of winning football and our first playoff win since the Montana era. Who's with me?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by tk13

The depressing idea everyone refuses to discuss is what if there aren't any answers this year. What if this is it, and all these guys never quite make it. People are quite selective with their arguments. There's a huge difference between now and 2009, in that everyone thought Stafford and Sanchez were top 10 talents. ***** didn't care. This year the prevailing opinion among football people that none of these QBs available in any form are truly elite.

I'm going to respectfully disagree, considering that within hours of the Alex Smith deal being leaked, Geno Smith magically became worth a top pick, and everyone and their brother was screaming for Oakland to take him.

And FWIW, I'll gladly take "what if" over "we already know".

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

The depressing idea everyone refuses to discuss is what if there aren't any answers this year. What if this is it, and all these guys never quite make it. People are quite selective with their arguments. There's a huge difference between now and 2009, in that everyone thought Stafford and Sanchez were top 10 talents. ***** didn't care. This year the prevailing opinion among football people that none of these QBs available in any form are truly elite.

Have we truly gotten word from "football people," though? The Piolis of the world don't count, as he's a ****ing football moron.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tk13

The depressing idea everyone refuses to discuss is what if there aren't any answers this year. What if this is it, and all these guys never quite make it. People are quite selective with their arguments. There's a huge difference between now and 2009, in that everyone thought Stafford and Sanchez were top 10 talents. ***** didn't care. This year the prevailing opinion among football people that none of these QBs available in any form are truly elite.

I've said many, many times that although I would disagree with them not taking a QB at 1.1, I could accept it. What I find wholly objectionable is the manner in which they hitched the wagon to Alex Smith for the next 2+ years, because with the nature of that trade they aren't just passing on the QBs in this draft, but the next as well.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Brock

Worked for the colts.

Not even then really. I think the Colts have won 8+ games something like 15 of the last 19 years. They were a playoff team each of the years before tanking to get Luck and Manning.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Have we truly gotten word from "football people," though? The *****s of the world don't count, as he's a ****ing football moron.

"Football people" have also said that the Chiefs have "won the offseason" several times in the past few years.

"Football people" said the Matt Cassel deal was a great move.

"Football people" say some really stupid shit sometimes.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If you're going to make nothing but "win now" moves, you better ****ing win now.

I would have given this regime all the rope in the world had they realized what everyone else already seems to know - that you win championships with QB drafted in R1 and developed over several years.

I would have kept my tickets, drove 300 miles each way 8 times, and been perfectly content with a low-win season or two. Because we'd be building towards the future.

But when you give up the type of currency we did for a guy an elite team didn't want, it screams "win now".

So they better win now. No excuses.

I know. You are not a lunatic. You can back up your opinion with facts. Its a perfectly legitimate opinion. I agreed in the OP that we should have taken Geno and paid too much for Smith. It's done. There is no going back. The only thing we can do is make a choice on how to handle the new reality.

The vast majority of Chief fans are happy with the moves that have been made. If I was a betting man, In 5 years, I'd put more money on your views over the vast majority. That being said, for me personally, after years of being negative about this team, I'm going to chose to have a little hope.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I've said many, many times that although I would disagree with them not taking a QB at 1.1, I could accept it. What I find wholly objectionable is the manner in which they hitched the wagon to Alex Smith for the next 2+ years, because with the nature of that trade they aren't just passing on the QBs in this draft, but the next as well.

Yep.

Which means they better knock the next three drafts out of the ****ing park, because by the time we have a legitimate QB, guys like Charles, Hali, Flowers, Bowe, Albert, etc will be on the decline.

Going to be hard to do when you're likely to use the 1st overall on a RT and don't have the 34th overall.

The two most valuable picks this regime will likely ever see, and they're wasted.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If you're going to make nothing but "win now" moves, you better ****ing win now.

I would have given this regime all the rope in the world had they realized what everyone else already seems to know - that you win championships with QB drafted in R1 and developed over several years.

I would have kept my tickets, drove 300 miles each way 8 times, and been perfectly content with a low-win season or two. Because we'd be building towards the future.

But when you give up the type of currency we did for a guy an elite team didn't want, it screams "win now".

So they better win now. No excuses.

I agree. Most loyal KC fans will still give them some slack in that situation. The casuals will be back if they got it right. Two years of average then followed by a few learning years for a young QB is even worse for the pysche and stability of the fanbase.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I know. You are not a lunatic. You can back up your opinion with facts. Its a perfectly legitimate opinion. I agreed in the OP that we should have taken Geno and paid too much for Smith. It's done. There is no going back. The only thing we can do is make a choice on how to handle the new reality.

The vast majority of Chief fans are happy with the moves that have been made. If I was a betting man, In 5 years, I'd put more money on your views over the vast majority. Personally, after years of being negative about this team, I'm going to chose to have a little hope.

The vast majority of Chiefs fans thought Cassel just needed more weapons, that Pioli just needed more time, that RAC was a defensive genius, etc.

The vast majority of Chiefs fans are ****ing ignorant about football.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by -King-

Number of 300 yard passing games for Alex Smith: 3
Number of 300 yard passing games for Matt Cassel: 7

Ohhh. Shit.

...

What a ride this fanship is, wouldnt miss it for nothin.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I agree. Most loyal KC fans will sit give them some slack in that situation. The casuals will be back if they got it right. Two years of average then followed by few learning years for a QB is even worse for the pysche and stability of the fanbase.

Great point.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The vast majority of Chief fans are happy with the moves that have been made. If I was a betting man, In 5 years, I'd put more money on your views over the vast majority. That being said, for me personally, after years of being negative about this team, I'm going to chose to have a little hope.

For me, I can't handle a couple years of average QB play and no real threat or hope in the backup spot. That is too depressing and that's what I fear is going to happen. I understand your stance, but I just see us going down the road of decent QB that takes a while to prove clearly that he isn't the guy.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Have we truly gotten word from "football people," though? The *****s of the world don't count, as he's a ****ing football moron.

I think it's pretty clear no one is that impressed with this year's group. We're a month before the draft and the reviews have been fairly mixed. And I think that's being kind. Although I think guys will go in the top 10 because of the importance of the position. And furthermore, there will be guys in this class that probably have success. They just can't figure out who because the tape is so mixed.

I never put much value in how McShay and Kiper and Mayock rate people, but some of the comments and thoughts they have are obviously direct thoughts from scouts across the league, given the way they present them.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What?

How does #34 overall equate to #16 overall?

34=560
Mid second rounder (16th overall) is worth 420 points

The 16th pick is worth 1000.

If we win a few playoff games, it's a steal...if we go two years without making the playoffs, it was a massive fail of a trade.

Originally Posted by Molitoth

While his TEAM improved every year, Alex Smith was the key piece that needed replaced to get to a superbowl.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Complete speculation

How is his post speculation?

Harbaugh benched Alex Smith in favor of a second round pick for the previous draft and he lead the team to the superbowl.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you think he's Matt Cassel, fine.

I've seen at least 15 of his games in the last two seasons and couldn't disagree more with that assessment.

I agree there. No question.

I just want to enjoy watching Chiefs football again.

Hopefully, Alex Smith plays out of his mind for a few years and the trade is a huge win...I just know better. I've seen this movie like 6 times already.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The vast majority of Chiefs fans thought Cassel just needed more weapons, that ***** just needed more time, that RAC was a defensive genius, etc.

The vast majority of Chiefs fans are ****ing ignorant about football.

Hence the majority of my money on your opinion.