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Old 07-15-2017, 03:04 PM  
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Politico: "Trump crafting plan to slash legal immigration"

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Trump crafting plan to slash legal immigration

Senior aide Stephen Miller has been working with conservative senators to make good on Trump’s campaign promise.

Josh Dawsey
07/12/2017 07:07 PM EDT

Donald Trump and his aides are quietly working with two conservative senators to dramatically scale back legal immigration — a move that would mark a fulfillment of one of the president's biggest campaign promises.

Trump plans to get behind a bill being introduced later this summer by GOP Sens. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and David Perdue of Georgia that, if signed into law, would, by 2027, slash in half the number of legal immigrants entering the country each year, according to four people familiar with the conversations. Currently, about 1 million legal immigrants enter the country annually; that number would fall to 500,000 over the next decade.


.....hawks, now led by Cotton, who will have the backing of the White House,versus dovish lawmakers such as Arizona’s John McCain and South Carolina’s Lindsey Graham.


.....The Cotton-Perdue legislation would also mark a broader shift away from the current immigration system, which favors those with family currently in the U.S., toward a merit-based approach. It would, for example, increase the number of green cards — which allow for permanent residency in the U.S. — that are granted on the basis of merit to foreigners in a series of categories including outstanding professors and researchers, those holding advanced degrees, and those with extraordinary ability in a particular field.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...on-cuts-240478
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Old 07-16-2017, 07:21 AM   #31
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Absolutely not. It was an option but I rejected it. I even called the U.K. embassy and told them I wanted to reject my "citizenship" the day I was naturalized. I'm still "a subject of her majesty" because that's up to her and her alone. Which makes me want to puke. Apparently, I could still get a U.K. passport if I wanted one.
Interesting, thanks.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:23 AM   #32
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I'm not reading it wrong.
There are those, like BEP (who I often disagree with) who hate immigration but understand the importance of skilled immigrant labor. Those are the people who have a right to applaud this plan. But someone like PB has been selling the idea of zero based immigration, and that legal immigration provides no value whatsoever. Based on what I'm reading above, those zero-based immigration people can't point to this as some kind of victory. What I'm reading above seems to acknowledge the importance of skilled foreign labor.
It seems to me that those zero-based immigration people can point to a 50% reduction in immigration as a pretty big victory.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:25 AM   #33
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I assume you mean that we don't need foreign workers... period. So you don't support balancing out immigration growth with the issuing of visas and green cards (which is essentially the same thing as legal immigration, in most cases).
green cards = immigration, both now and under this proposal.

There is no immigration growth under this plan. There's dramatic reduction of immigration.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:54 AM   #34
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I assume you mean that we don't need foreign workers... period. So you don't support balancing out immigration growth with the issuing of visas and green cards (which is essentially the same thing as legal immigration, in most cases).

Population growth kills the job market.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:01 AM   #35
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green cards = immigration, both now and under this proposal.

There is no immigration growth under this plan. There's dramatic reduction of immigration.
I should probably rephrase. Prison bitch and over yonder support zero immigration. That's my understanding, at least. Not 0% growth. 0 immigration. They don't believe immigrants provide economic value whatsoever. They can claim victory all they want, but the measure seems to still support the idea that specialized immigrants provide a ton of value and that if anything the immigration rules around allowing green cards and visas are TOO strict.

There's plenty of difference of opinion on the economic value of the remaining immigrants. But that wasn't the point I was making.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:13 AM   #36
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Oh stop. You'd be fine with legal immigration if they were all your favorite color.
Aren't you the one who said there's no difference between a Nigerian and a Brit?
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:45 AM   #37
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Aren't you the one who said there's no difference between a Nigerian and a Brit?
Not that I can recall.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:49 AM   #38
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The Cotton-Perdue legislation would also mark a broader shift away from the current immigration system, which favors those with family currently in the U.S., toward a merit-based approach. It would, for example, increase the number of green cards — which allow for permanent residency in the U.S. — that are granted on the basis of merit to foreigners in a series of categories including outstanding professors and researchers, those holding advanced degrees, and those with extraordinary ability in a particular field.
That can be loosely defined and used to wiggly in through loop holes into the country.
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Not that I can recall.
So you're saying there are differences?
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So you're saying there are differences?
Yes, there are.
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So you're saying there are differences?
What differences are there between admitting a Nigerian physicist and a Canadian one with all the same education and qualifications, neither of whom is an islamist or has any other background red flags?
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That can be loosely defined and used to wiggly in through loop holes into the country.
And it will be
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Gotta give the man credit, he's making good on his promises despite the caterwauling from the snowflakes.
All he does is say he's going to do things. He doesn't make good on anything. Even if he does actually do something, it will just get changed back in a few years.
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All he does is say he's going to do things. He doesn't make good on anything. Even if he does actually do something, it will just get changed back in a few years.

Blame it on the Knights Templar amirite?
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What differences are there between admitting a Nigerian physicist and a Canadian one with all the same education and qualifications, neither of whom is an islamist or has any other background red flags?
Potentially cultural differences. Someone from Canada would seamlessly immigrate here as easily as someone moving from South Dakota to Texas. I'd think someone from Mexico or South America would have a much easier time as well.
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