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Old 07-15-2017, 10:14 AM  
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Cuck Canadian PM Attempts Collusion with US Governors to Ditch "America First"

Look what we have here—a foreign govt medding in US policy by reaching out to our State Governors, by-passing the US Constitution which authorizes the Legislative branch (Federal Congress—ya' know The People's House) to regulate trade with foreign countries, between the states, and with Native American nations in Article I, S…ection 8, Clause 3.

I think globalism is ushering in some blurring of national borders and sovereignty but this is a first for a Canadian PM, a country that has been considered a friend.

What is he advocating? Trudeau is urging "thinner borders."

This was done in blatant opposition to the position Trump ran on. The more we integrate with trade agreements, climate accords and international in scope treaties, the more the America will disappear and become just another cog in a sweeping international bureaucracy run by technocrats who get to set themselves up as the kingmakers.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has told governors from across the US to ditch the "America First" motto.

In his speech, Mr Trudeau urged US governors to embrace their neighbour to the north and avoid protectionism.

It is all a part of his aggressive strategy to promote a "thinner border" ahead of vital trade talks with the US renegotiating the Nafta treaty.

"If anything, we would like a thinner border, not a thicker one."

Earlier in the day, Mr Trudeau had talks with governors from Wisconsin, Kentucky, Rhode Island and Iowa.

But over the past several months, Canada has sent everyone from cabinet ministers to provincial premiers to the mayor of Toronto to plead its case.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40612669
The simply erodes national sovereignty and NAFTA is actually loaded with protectionism and socialism. Just another wealth transfer program but between nations.

Trudeau needs to be ridden out on a rail with some tar and feathers on him. Or we should at least do it in effigy.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:55 AM   #2
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Speaking of thinner borders, you all ready to drink your milk from an effing bag?!?!
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:57 AM   #3
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Bonus points for the butthurt of throwing collusion into every story now. You are showing those damn delicate snowflakes all about resiliency.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:03 AM   #4
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Republicans from 2009-2016: We think WHATEVER BEP thinks
Republicans in 2017: We STILL think WHATEVER BEP thinks.
Geez, caught us red-handed, dude. Keen and cogent eye there!!!
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:06 AM   #5
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:22 AM   #6
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So, this "collusion" os good, and Lyin' Junior's is bad. Got it.
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BEP is being a bit dramatic here. While Trudeau is a giant shitstain, he does realize where the economic gravy train is in his country. Like a lot of western-industrialized countries, Canada hugely relies on export consumption for economic prosperity, specifically in raw/natural resources. With 80-85% of imports coming from one another, there is some logic to arranging some type of free trade agreements in place. The fights occur when certain "lobby" industries are granted special protections or exemptions in trade agreements: dairy, lumber, and beef to name a few.
Protectionism has proven to only work in short-term scenarios. Because we now live in a day and age where access to global markets are at our fingertips, it is difficult to sustain true protectionist stances if you want to have a competitive economy.
The US is not immune to regionalism, just like in Canada. The Canadian West remains the economic engine of this country, but we are still generally ignored in policy formulation and are at the mercy of crippling equalization formulas that bail out bad governance and social policy from other provinces.
Free trade is never perfect, but protectionism has the potential to be devastating in the long term. I am no globalist, but I do support capitalism!
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BEP is being a bit dramatic here.
In your opinion.

I am playing on the same type of thing as current Democrats, use of hyperbole, when I use "collusion" here. However, it is meddling when he is working against an elected president like this. Take that how you want, but I don't like it.


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The fights occur when certain "lobby" industries are granted special protections or exemptions in trade agreements: dairy, lumber, and beef to name a few.
Yeah, like Trudeau is doing—just on a nation-state basis as opposed to an industry basis.


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Protectionism has proven to only work in short-term scenarios. Because we now live in a day and age where access to global markets are at our fingertips, it is difficult to sustain true protectionist stances if you want to have a competitive economy.
Apparently, you think NAFTA is about free-trade. Have you ever read it —or even just portions? It's full of protectionism as well as profuse with regulations.

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The US is not immune to regionalism, just like in Canada. The Canadian West remains the economic engine of this country, but we are still generally ignored in policy formulation and are at the mercy of crippling equalization formulas that bail out bad governance and social policy from other provinces.
Free trade is never perfect, but protectionism has the potential to be devastating in the long term. I am no globalist, but I do support capitalism!
I just told you how NAFTA is loaded with protectionism, many regulations and I'll add socialism for losses. I even posted specific parts where such things exist in the past. It's a wealth redistribution program for poor countries just as the climate accord is.

Explain to me how thousands of pages in several volumes is "free" trade?

That question is not rhetorical.

All free-trade requires is lowering or abolishing all tariffs. That can even be done unilaterally even if other countries don't. Or it can be done nation between nation apart from some international bureaucracy. It is not necessary and it's not exactly Constitutional even.

Nafta requires a Constitutional amendment to surrender any national sovereignty to international bodies. Nafta was not passed by a two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress nor ratified by three-quarters of the states as a constitutional amendment.

It doesn't require sovereignty-eroding agreements to have free-trade. Republicans are being duped and don't know their economics.They are the party of crony capitalism and corporatism. This is a blind-spot even with grass-roots Republicans, who are mainly mis-informed about it. That's because, what NAFTA is, has been well-disguised the same way we hear that taxes are an "investment." Part of this is due to the mainstream media's ignorance—and that includes Fox. I, however, don't think most in Congress even read it.

True conservatives and true free-market adherents have pointed out for years how nafta tribunal claims superiority over the U.S. Supreme court, lower courts and federal and state agencies.

We were told how it would reduce immigration from Mexico too. How'd that turn out? Look at what Vincent Fox of Mexico said about it:


http://www.wnd.com/2007/10/44047/
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:06 PM   #11
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NAFTA is a scam.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:10 PM   #12
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Republicans from 2009-2016: I think we should leave it up to the states
Republicans in 2017: **** what the states think
Isn't the hypocrisy just as rich from the democrat side excep in reverse?
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BTW giving such trade power to a President under Fast Track Authority is another usurpation by our Congress of the Constitution. Congress does not have any authority to transfer it's powers to any president for negotiating trade. That began in 1974, with trade promotion authority "minimizing consideration of the public interest, and limiting the legislature's influence over the bill to an up or down vote." That power belongs to Congress—the People's House.
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ITT: BEP again argues that unilateral elimination of trade protections will lead to free trade without explaining what will restrain our potential trading partners from putting us at a trade disadvantage. If Israel unilaterally eliminated trade barriers would the BDS movement spontaneously disappear? I don't think so.
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It really amazes me how some Republicans are just as easily duped as Democrats are on socialism.

The NAFTA Myth

For some people, it seems, all you have to do to convince them of the free enterprise nature of something is to label it “market,” and so we have the spawning of such grotesque creatures as “market socialists” or “market liberals.” The word “freedom,” of course, is also a grabber, and so another way to gain adherents in an age that exalts rhetoric over substance is simply to call yourself or your proposal “free market” or “free trade.” Labels are often enough to nab the suckers.

And so, among champions of free trade, the label “North American Free Trade Agreement” (Nafta) is supposed to command unquestioning assent. “But how can you be against free trade?” It’s very easy. The folks who have brought us Nafta and presume to call it “free trade” are the same people who call government spending “investment,” taxes “contributions,” and raising taxes “deficit reduction.” Let us not forget that the Communists, too, used to call their system “freedom.”

In the first place, genuine free trade doesn’t require a treaty (or its deformed cousin, a “trade agreement”; Nafta is called a trade agreement so it can avoid the constitutional requirement of approval by two-thirds of the Senate). If the establishment truly wants free trade, all it has to do is to repeal our numerous tariffs, import quotas, anti-“dumping” laws, and other American-imposed restrictions on trade. No foreign policy or foreign maneuvering is needed.

If authentic free trade ever looms on the policy horizon, there’ll be one sure way to tell.

The government/media/big-business complex will oppose it tooth and nail. We’ll see a string of op-eds “warning" about the imminent return of the 19th century. Media pundits and academics will raise all the old canards against the free market, that it’s exploitative and anarchic without government “coordination.” The establishment would react to instituting true free trade about as enthusiastically as it would to repealing the income tax.

In truth, the bipartisan establishment’s trumpeting of “free trade” since World War II fosters the opposite of genuine freedom of exchange. The establishment’s goals and tactics have been consistently those of free trade’s traditional enemy, “mercantilism” — the system imposed by the nation-states of 16th to 18th century Europe. President Bush’s infamous trip to Japan was only one instance: trade policy as a continuing system of maneuverings to try to force other countries to purchase more American exports.

Whereas genuine free traders look at free markets and trade, domestic or international, from the point of view of the consumer (that is, all of us), the mercantilist, of the 16th century or today, looks at trade from the point of view of the power elite, big business in league with the government.

https://mises.org/library/nafta-myth
Mercantilism, Corporatism, Market-Socialism, State-Capitalism— the latter two being Third Way Socialism. I don't care what you want to call it, these are all synonyms for the same verbal sleight-of-hand on "free trade."

It's time Republicans or Conservatives stop thinking with their "Eyes Wide Shut."
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