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Old 07-13-2017, 06:57 PM  
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GOP voters are tribal and deeply partisan, polling shows

Remember when Obama wanted to strike Syria for their chemical weapon attack? 22% of Republicans were in favor at the time. When that same ABC poll was done under Trump, 86% of Republicans were in favor despite the nearly identical circumstances that they took place in. Democrats supported the strikes in Syria by about the same margins in both polls, 37% and 38%, respectively.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...der-obama.html

What about the economy? As soon as Trump was elected, Republicans completely changed their tune on the state of the economy despite nothing actually changing. Democrats view immediately became more negative showing their own levels of partisanship, but it's a much more modest swing than on the GOP side.



When it comes to Putin, 12% of Republicans saw him favorably in 2015. Now? 32% of Republicans do, and that's AFTER his bad behavior in Ukraine and meddling in our election. Democrats, again, had much more modest shifts in their views.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/204191/pu...publicans.aspx

Lastly, let's take a look at income taxes. There have been absolutely zero changes in the federal tax code since Trump took over, but magically there has been a 17 point shift in the views of GOP voters on whether their current taxes are fair or not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-do-...ystem-is-fair/

These polls lay out conclusively what is already obvious when dealing with Trump supporters. They are tribal. Liberals aren't perfect by any stretch, but their opinions do not shift with the wind when the President changes even if their views of that individual are deeply polarized. The herd mentality has helped the GOP dominate elections recently, but it would seem to be at the expense of any kind of principles or bipartisanship.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:30 AM   #46
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I can go find several issues you flipped on once Lord Obummer got in. The main one: the Wars. War without George W just wasn't War after all. The day he left, all those protests nationwide just stopped. Nobody said a word about he continuance of Iraq and, mainly, Afghanistan which still goes on
Exactly! One reason I wasn't even upset Obama won was because of that stance and a promised restoration of civil liberties. I liked seeing the GOP slapped down on those during his campaign. Obama did neither. In fact he's been worse on civil liberties and abused surveillance to use on political enemies.


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Pelosi and Obama said the deficits were "immoral" and unfair to our children. I don't have to tell you how that one turned out
Looks like the current Republicans in congress are going to outdo Democratic spending now.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:18 AM   #47
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What an idiotic thread. As if the vast majority of people aren't partisan and/or tribal when it comes to deeply held political beliefs.

No no, ITS JUST THE REPUBLICANS!!!
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:27 AM   #48
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What an idiotic thread. As if the vast majority of people aren't partisan and/or tribal when it comes to deeply held political beliefs.

No no, ITS JUST THE REPUBLICANS!!!
And just one issue was cited. Worthless.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:51 PM   #49
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Ted blew up during a very heated campaign over a perceived slight to his wife... there is a mile of difference between that, and Bernies complete capitulation in the face of proven, unprecedented cheating
Percieved slight? Dude, he clearly inferred on twitter that his wife was ugly by using a photoshopped picture of her next to Melania.

Also, he accused his dad of being an accomplice to JFK's murder, or at the very least implied some kind of connection between the two.

After all that, Cruz called him amoral and a pathological liar .. and then went on to support him anyway.

Also, wasn't Trump claiming it was rigged against him during the primaries?
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:57 PM   #50
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:59 PM   #51
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Also, at least Conservatives have the tea party, freedom caucus, and never-trumpers. Democrats march lock step with their stupid leadership, as evidenced by Hillary. Yes, one part is more tribal than the other, just not the one this article believes.
If this is the FACE and FUTURE of your party, you just might have a problem.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:02 PM   #52
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I can go find several issues you flipped on once Lord Obummer got in. The main one: the Wars. War without George W just wasn't War after all. The day he left, all those protests nationwide just stopped. Nobody said a word about he continuance of Iraq and, mainly, Afghanistan which still goes on


Pelosi and Obama said the deficits were "immoral" and unfair to our children. I don't have to tell you how that one turned out
Your points are dumb. You don't pull out of wars you don't like overnight. It's a calculated process. He reduced our presence in the middle east substantially which most saw as a big positive. And when it comes to Bush and Cheney, most people were pissed about how they sold us into a war under false pretenses. You can't just ignore that.

As for the deficits, he did what he could to reduce them. Again, that doesn't happen overnight. Over the course of his presidency he reduced it significantly which his base was happy with, as they should be.

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What an idiotic thread. As if the vast majority of people aren't partisan and/or tribal when it comes to deeply held political beliefs.

No no, ITS JUST THE REPUBLICANS!!!
Did you read the OP you schmuck? Those aren't examples of deeply held political beliefs and the polling shows that. They just care whether the action was taken by somebody with an (R) in front of their name.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:05 PM   #53
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Series of dumb polls that don't make the point you think they are
Republicans and Democrats views of each other is not at all relevant to whether one side sees the issues through a purely partisan lense.
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As for the deficits, he did what he could to reduce them..

This might've been the hardest I've ever laughed at a post on CP.
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He reduced it by well over half during his Presidency. I'd say that's significant progress.

Trump claimed he would get rid of the debt entirely in 8 years. Want to bet that he doesn't even come within 20 trillion?
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Percieved slight? Dude, he clearly inferred on twitter that his wife was ugly by using a photoshopped picture of her next to Melania.

Also, he accused his dad of being an accomplice to JFK's murder, or at the very least implied some kind of connection between the two.

After all that, Cruz called him amoral and a pathological liar .. and then went on to support him anyway.

Also, wasn't Trump claiming it was rigged against him during the primaries?
To Teds credit, he isnt letting personal animosity stand between him and a president whose policy ideas largely line up with his own

Thats just common sense politics
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To Teds credit, he isnt letting personal animosity stand between him and a president whose policy ideas largely line up with his own

Thats just common sense politics
Which is how Bernie felt. Trump's platform completely goes against his agenda. Whether the DNC was in the tank for Hillary or not, he felt a responsibility to rally his supporters around the candidate that was close to where he was on policy, and he didn't make it easy either. He basically had the DNC platform language changed to become more liberal for his endorsement of Hillary.
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Percieved slight? Dude, he clearly inferred on twitter that his wife was ugly by using a photoshopped picture of her next to Melania.

Also, he accused his dad of being an accomplice to JFK's murder, or at the very least implied some kind of connection between the two.

After all that, Cruz called him amoral and a pathological liar .. and then went on to support him anyway.

Also, wasn't Trump claiming it was rigged against him during the primaries?
What choice did he have? You understand Trump was running against the criminal, Hillary, correct? Was he supposed to support her? Same as Bernie throwing in with Hildebeast. They both held their noses and picked the one less awful. Bernie got it wrong, but that's neither here nor there.
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What choice did he have? You understand Trump was running against the criminal, Hillary, correct? Was he supposed to support her? Same as Bernie throwing in with Hildebeast. They both held their noses and picked the one less awful. Bernie got it wrong, but that's neither here nor there.
Well, there are a lot of Never Trumpers who found a way to support Hillary, or at the very least a third party candidate like Johnson as a protest vote. He could have joined them. Frankly if a man insulted my wife and said my Dad was involved in murdering JFK I'd have a hard time publicly supporting them.
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