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Old 07-13-2017, 06:57 PM  
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GOP voters are tribal and deeply partisan, polling shows

Remember when Obama wanted to strike Syria for their chemical weapon attack? 22% of Republicans were in favor at the time. When that same ABC poll was done under Trump, 86% of Republicans were in favor despite the nearly identical circumstances that they took place in. Democrats supported the strikes in Syria by about the same margins in both polls, 37% and 38%, respectively.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...der-obama.html

What about the economy? As soon as Trump was elected, Republicans completely changed their tune on the state of the economy despite nothing actually changing. Democrats view immediately became more negative showing their own levels of partisanship, but it's a much more modest swing than on the GOP side.



When it comes to Putin, 12% of Republicans saw him favorably in 2015. Now? 32% of Republicans do, and that's AFTER his bad behavior in Ukraine and meddling in our election. Democrats, again, had much more modest shifts in their views.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/204191/pu...publicans.aspx

Lastly, let's take a look at income taxes. There have been absolutely zero changes in the federal tax code since Trump took over, but magically there has been a 17 point shift in the views of GOP voters on whether their current taxes are fair or not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-do-...ystem-is-fair/

These polls lay out conclusively what is already obvious when dealing with Trump supporters. They are tribal. Liberals aren't perfect by any stretch, but their opinions do not shift with the wind when the President changes even if their views of that individual are deeply polarized. The herd mentality has helped the GOP dominate elections recently, but it would seem to be at the expense of any kind of principles or bipartisanship.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:54 PM   #16
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Sanders fell in line like a good boy even after it was clear Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary. Dude was spineless.
Agreed. Much like the way Ted Cruz fell in line like a good boy for Trump.

I admired Ted Cruz when he initially refused to endorse Trump and said he wasn't a servile puppy dog. But within a few weeks he became that servile puppy dog.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:57 PM   #17
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Sanders fell in line like a good boy even after it was clear Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary. Dude was spineless.
he preferred Hillary over trump
most people did
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:10 PM   #18
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Tribal on one issue?

Ask them about whether the Prez should be Impeached. Prob 0 said yes two years ago, today 71% say yes. Deeply tribal and partisan!!!

Past surveys already prove Dems hated NSA spying - until Obama was in office. Then they loved it!
http://m1.marketwatch.com/articles/B...esla=y&tesla=y

What a stupid article
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:27 PM   #19
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he preferred Hillary over trump
most people in the Peoples Republic of California did
I hate to say it, but I have to agree with this guy
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Old 07-14-2017, 02:34 AM   #20
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Projected to win popular vote by 3 points, wins by 2.2 instead. You're going to have to do better.
List of things I don't care about in US elections:
1. The Popular Vote
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Old 07-14-2017, 06:21 AM   #21
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I think it's safe to say when establishment GOP turns on Trump they aren't going to lose any voters.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:16 AM   #22
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List of things I don't care about in US elections:
1. The Popular Vote
I'm only correcting the record on "ZOMG the polls were wrong!'. They were well within the margin of error nationally. You guys just fail at basic statistics and / or don't care and want to delegitimize the studies. It's transparent and, well, kind of proves the point that GOP voters will put partisanship over objective truths if it serves their purpose.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:34 AM   #23
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Dem voters hated NSA.


Until Obama got into office


Beahahhahah!
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:43 AM   #24
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Also, at least Conservatives have the tea party, freedom caucus, and never-trumpers. Democrats march lock step with their stupid leadership, as evidenced by Hillary. Yes, one part is more tribal than the other, just not the one this article believes.
I came in here to post the same thing. GOP voters are far more nuanced than any other segment of the electorate.

The GOP used to be a place filled basically with economic conservatives and people who were both social and economic conservatives. Today there is the Trump faction, the freedom caucus, the old guard Republicans, Libertarian-leaning voters, populist moderates. There is broad variance on marriage, health care, immigration policy, and any number of issues. There is so much strength in diversity, in fact, that it's crippling the party's ability to do anything.

On the other side of the aisle, you have a party that won't allow anyone who fails to be orthodox on any significant issue to hold a place of any importance in the party. Let me know the next time a pro-life democrat is elected to a national office, for example. Meanwhile, the GOP just nominated a candidate that disagrees with mainline Republican tradition almost as often as he agrees with it.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:59 AM   #25
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I came in here to post the same thing. GOP voters are far more nuanced than any other segment of the electorate.

The GOP used to be a place filled basically with economic conservatives and people who were both social and economic conservatives. Today there is the Trump faction, the freedom caucus, the old guard Republicans, Libertarian-leaning voters, populist moderates. There is broad variance on marriage, health care, immigration policy, and any number of issues. There is so much strength in diversity, in fact, that it's crippling the party's ability to do anything.

On the other side of the aisle, you have a party that won't allow anyone who fails to be orthodox on any significant issue to hold a place of any importance in the party. Let me know the next time a pro-life democrat is elected to a national office, for example. Meanwhile, the GOP just nominated a candidate that disagrees with mainline Republican tradition almost as often as he agrees with it.
There is definitely a lot of variation within Republican office holders, but just because there aren't any cool sounding names for different Democratic factions doesn't mean they don't exist.

Trump showed that GOP voters care very little about actual policy issues or basic principles. They wanted a brash, alpha male who also parrots Fox News talking points to represent them on the world stage and the fact that he has flip flopped on every issue in the book mattered not. The fact that he didn't really seem to have a real understanding of any actual issues when he spoke about them at length wasn't a bug, it was a feature. Again, it all goes back to tribalism. Dems would never have nominated a guy like Trump because being an ignorant jackass who thinks he knows everything is not looked at as a positive attribute.
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:09 AM   #26
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Dem voters hated NSA.


Until Obama got into office


Beahahhahah!
The GOP flipped by about the same margin, so at best they are about the same on this one issue.

And there has actually been quite a few developments within the NSA story that would at least give reason for people to have changed their mind about government surveillance with Snowden, the rise of global terrorism with groups like ISIS recruiting people online, etc. The examples I provided were chosen specifically because the only explanation for the swings would be partisanship since the facts had not changed, just the President.
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:32 AM   #27
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My guess is the current polarization of the Rs is based on the hate generated on that side. Ds haven't had some global person to place their ire onto like the right has had with Obama and Hillary. With Trump, that's obviously changed. Now, the Ds have someone to globally loathe. The Rs are keeping up though because they still feel that Trump is being persecuted unfairly. Basically it's going to come down to who despises the other side the most because that is what drives higher percentages of people to the polls.

...and that's Democracy in America today.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:50 AM   #28
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The GOP flipped by about the same margin, so at best they are about the same on this one issue.

And there has actually been quite a few developments within the NSA story that would at least give reason for people to have changed their mind about government surveillance with Snowden, the rise of global terrorism with groups like ISIS recruiting people online, etc. The examples I provided were chosen specifically because the only explanation for the swings would be partisanship since the facts had not changed, just the President.
Sorry, but the rise of Snowden should've been all the more reason for true Liberals to plunge their support of NSA. The fact they didn't (despite having proof finally of the abuses) shows how blindly loyal they were to Obummer
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:51 AM   #29
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My guess is the current polarization of the Rs is based on the hate generated on that side. Ds haven't had some global person to place their ire onto like the right has had with Obama and Hillary. With Trump, that's obviously changed. Now, the Ds have someone to globally loathe. The Rs are keeping up though because they still feel that Trump is being persecuted unfairly. Basically it's going to come down to who despises the other side the most because that is what drives higher percentages of people to the polls.

...and that's Democracy in America today.
Yeah! Dems sorta liked George W and Cheney.


Finally they have someone to actually hate?
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We're called tribal and partisan because we defend the principles that our country was founded on—limited Federal Govt, local rule, low taxes, free-enterprise markets and against permanent foreign entanglements as these drag us into excessive wars.

The left is just as tribal and partisan—toward communism or collectivism.

I'd rather be part of my partisan tribe. ( only the GOPe folks are closer to the Dims now)

Three cheers for my tribe! Hip! Hip! Hooray!
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