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Trump the Lesser's Meeting with Russian Lawyer for Clinton Dirt. Collusion?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/s-donal...on-with-russia

For the past seven months, President Donald Trump and his campaign have been dogged by allegations that they colluded with the Russian government during the presidential election.

Now, there appears to be some evidence supporting the thrust of the allegation.

Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, was offered “damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign,” the New York Times reported Sunday.

On Saturday, Trump Jr., presidential son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner, and then-campaign chair Paul Manafort confirmed that they met with lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016—two days after Clinton clinched the Democratic presidential nomination.

Trump Jr. said in a statement Sunday that Veselnitskaya claimed “she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.” Trump Jr. said she did not provide additional information.

After Veselnitskaya’s “vague” statement about Clinton, Trump Jr. said, the conversation turned to Russia's freeze of adoptions to the U.S. in retaliation for sanctions against individual Russians under the Magnitsky Act.

The report is the first public account that people associated with the Kremlin offered damaging information on Clinton to Trump—and that Trump’s campaign entertained the offer.

A dossier compiled by ex-British spy Christopher Steele alleged the existence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the election, which alleged, among other things, Russia sent damaging information on Clinton sent to the Trump campaign.

The dossier was published in January 2017, days before Trump was inaugurated. Then as now, Trump and members of his campaign denied any involvement with Russia.

The admission by the president’s eldest son comes less than 24 hours after the Trump legal team downplayed the meeting as a courtesy for a friend—and then proposed that the meeting was the result of a Democratic plot to entangle Trump with the Russians.

“It was a short introductory meeting,” Trump Jr. said in a statement on Saturday, in response to the initial story regarding the meeting with Veselnitskaya. “I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”

According to the president’s son, he “was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the friend in question is music publicist Rob Goldstone, manager of would-be Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose developer father was the sponsor of the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, which took place in Moscow.

“Once she presented what she had to say, it was like, ‘Can you keep an eye on it? Should [Trump] be in power, maybe that’s conversation that he may have in the future?’” Goldstone told the Washington Post. Goldstone did not identify the client who requested the meeting’s arrangement.

The Trump team’s initial strategy of dismissing the Veselnitskaya meeting switched to claiming it was a set-up by Democrats apparently using Kremlin operatives to sink the Trump campaign.

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” Mark Corallo, spokesperson for Trump’s outside counsel, said in a statement released a few hours after the original New York Times story published.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the president and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” Corallo continued, referring to the political intelligence firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier on Trump.

“These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner,” Corallo concluded.

Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and has been an aggressive questioner during public hearings regarding Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, was incredulous in response to the report.

“Donald Trump and his team had an extraordinary & unprecedented amount of personal, political, financial ties with Russia, at the time Russia was helping his campaign and undermining our democracy,” Swalwell said in a text to The Daily Beast. “Each of those ties, including recently learned meetings between Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort with Russians who wanted to damage Hillary Clinton, must be fully investigated.”

Swalwell continued, saying that Trump Jr.’s own claims prove that the Trump team “was willing to work with a foreign adversary to beat an American political opponent. That's a level of betrayal of our country we have never seen in politics.”

Three months after the meeting in Trump Tower, a Republican operative implied he was working Trump campaign adviser Michael Flynn to obtain Clinton's emails from Russian hackers. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Peter W. Smith told recruits for his project that he was in contact with Flynn and his son.

Flynn and the White House did not respond to requests for comment about the article.

– With additional reporting by Noah Shachtman
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:06 AM   #106
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I would guess the law that states it is illegal to accept anything "of value" from a foreign source related to an election.
What law is that?
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:08 AM   #107
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Voting for a candidate doesn't obligate you to swear blind allegiance to him and to strenuously defend every move he makes. Politicians need to be held accountable by their supporters even more than by their opponents.
What we are seeing is the defense of a "populist" POTUS. And it's fascinating.
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:17 AM   #108
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What we are seeing is the defense of a "populist" POTUS. And it's fascinating.
What we are seeing is a group of people who are trying everything they can to undermine the administration of a Democratically elected POTUS because they are mad he was elected and cant get over it.

Anyone who thinks that there is any real evidence of laws being broken or actual collusion is simply insane at this point.

Keep crying, keep whining, and continue to watch this blow up in your face.
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:24 AM   #109
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What we are seeing is a group of people who are trying everything they can to undermine the administration of a Democratically elected POTUS because they are mad he was elected and cant get over it.

Anyone who thinks that there is any real evidence of laws being broken or actual collusion is simply insane at this point.

Keep crying, keep whining, and continue to watch this blow up in your face.
Yes, yes. That's what happening.

As to this "blowing up in my face"...

So, what do you think of Donald Jr.'s meeting with this foreign national (a Russian with alleged ties to the Putin government) offering dirt on Clinton?
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:38 AM   #110
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If I have to point out to you that "Collusion with Russia is not illegal" is a ridiculous and lame defense, there's not much I can do for you.
It is not collusion. It is standard Oppo research to meet with someone who may have information about your opponent, There was no quid pro quo, no colluding to do a illegal activity. All there is, is a shifting of goal posts from maybe colluding to do a illegal hack of emails to talking with someone who might have oppo research and pretending that some how is illegal. Lets use the word colluding because we have spent months convincing the Democrats that any type of meeting with a Russian merits that term and is some how worthy of impeachment and jail time.

Parting question let's say a campaign or a group with connections to a campaign hired a former MI-6 with Russia connections who then paid Russian officials and operatives for dirt on Trump. Then compiled this into a Dossier and sold it to the Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign then proceeded to try and get this printed in the papers. Is this collusion? You have more there then the above. Money changing hands to the Russian operatives and officials, money changing hands from the campaign....seems like 100 times worse then this meeting where nothing happened.
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Yes, yes. That's what happening.

As to this "blowing up in my face"...

So, what do you think of Donald Jr.'s meeting with this foreign national (a Russian with alleged ties to the Putin government) offering dirt on Clinton?
I don't care about it and have zero reason to be concerned with it. Its not illegal.

Furthermore I can say with confidence not a single campaign would have ignored this request. They would have met with this person to see what they had to say. Again, thats not illegal.
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I don't care about it and have zero reason to be concerned with it. Its not illegal.

Furthermore I can say with confidence not a single campaign would have ignored this request. They would have met with this person to see what they had to say. Again, thats not illegal.
Of course you don't.
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I would guess the law that states it is illegal to accept anything "of value" from a foreign source related to an election.
So the various campaigns who paid the MI-6 guy for the fake dossier broke the law?
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Of course you don't.
Of course you do, because you haven't stopped whining about shit since Trump got elected.

There is nothing to the Russia thing and you know it.
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:47 AM   #115
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Of course you do, because you haven't stopped whining about shit since Trump got elected.

There is nothing to the Russia thing and you know it.
Amazing. Trump's son, his son in law and Manafort meet with a Russian in Trump Tower who says she has dirt on Clinton, and you say there's nothing to it.

Like I said, it's fascinating to watch.
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So the various campaigns who paid the MI-6 guy for the fake dossier broke the law?
I think it could be argued that way as well, yes. I already addressed that earlier. It was an agent of an ally, but the law does state any foreign entity.
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So the various campaigns who paid the MI-6 guy for the fake dossier broke the law?
Considering that some aspects of the dossier have apparently been verified as being accurate, I think it's inaccurate to call the dossier fake. But, Trump says it is, so it is.

And, if law(s) were broken with the dossier, I'm all for prosecution. Just as I am here.
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I think it could be argued that way as well, yes. I already addressed that earlier. It was an agent of an ally, but the law does state any foreign entity.
The press and everyone knows the law has never been enforced that way and it is standard Oppo research. But if you honestly believe that is the interpretation then you have to be calling for arrest of those involved in the Hillary campaign. The Trump campaign is still off the hook because nothing of value was passed during the meeting.
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Considering that some aspects of the dossier have apparently been verified as being accurate, I think it's inaccurate to call the dossier fake. But, Trump says it is, so it is.

And, if law(s) were broken with the dossier, I'm all for prosecution. Just as I am here.
So what your all over the law being broke during this meeting where nothing was passed but qualify the other where we know he was hired and we know he paid Russians as well "if a law was broken" like your not sure in this case?
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I think it could be argued that way as well, yes. I already addressed that earlier. It was an agent of an ally, but the law does state any foreign entity.
Agent of an Ally who paid Russians and was hired.
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