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Trump the Lesser's Meeting with Russian Lawyer for Clinton Dirt. Collusion?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/s-donal...on-with-russia

For the past seven months, President Donald Trump and his campaign have been dogged by allegations that they colluded with the Russian government during the presidential election.

Now, there appears to be some evidence supporting the thrust of the allegation.

Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, was offered “damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign,” the New York Times reported Sunday.

On Saturday, Trump Jr., presidential son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner, and then-campaign chair Paul Manafort confirmed that they met with lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016—two days after Clinton clinched the Democratic presidential nomination.

Trump Jr. said in a statement Sunday that Veselnitskaya claimed “she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.” Trump Jr. said she did not provide additional information.

After Veselnitskaya’s “vague” statement about Clinton, Trump Jr. said, the conversation turned to Russia's freeze of adoptions to the U.S. in retaliation for sanctions against individual Russians under the Magnitsky Act.

The report is the first public account that people associated with the Kremlin offered damaging information on Clinton to Trump—and that Trump’s campaign entertained the offer.

A dossier compiled by ex-British spy Christopher Steele alleged the existence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the election, which alleged, among other things, Russia sent damaging information on Clinton sent to the Trump campaign.

The dossier was published in January 2017, days before Trump was inaugurated. Then as now, Trump and members of his campaign denied any involvement with Russia.

The admission by the president’s eldest son comes less than 24 hours after the Trump legal team downplayed the meeting as a courtesy for a friend—and then proposed that the meeting was the result of a Democratic plot to entangle Trump with the Russians.

“It was a short introductory meeting,” Trump Jr. said in a statement on Saturday, in response to the initial story regarding the meeting with Veselnitskaya. “I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”

According to the president’s son, he “was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the friend in question is music publicist Rob Goldstone, manager of would-be Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose developer father was the sponsor of the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, which took place in Moscow.

“Once she presented what she had to say, it was like, ‘Can you keep an eye on it? Should [Trump] be in power, maybe that’s conversation that he may have in the future?’” Goldstone told the Washington Post. Goldstone did not identify the client who requested the meeting’s arrangement.

The Trump team’s initial strategy of dismissing the Veselnitskaya meeting switched to claiming it was a set-up by Democrats apparently using Kremlin operatives to sink the Trump campaign.

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” Mark Corallo, spokesperson for Trump’s outside counsel, said in a statement released a few hours after the original New York Times story published.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the president and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” Corallo continued, referring to the political intelligence firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier on Trump.

“These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner,” Corallo concluded.

Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and has been an aggressive questioner during public hearings regarding Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, was incredulous in response to the report.

“Donald Trump and his team had an extraordinary & unprecedented amount of personal, political, financial ties with Russia, at the time Russia was helping his campaign and undermining our democracy,” Swalwell said in a text to The Daily Beast. “Each of those ties, including recently learned meetings between Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort with Russians who wanted to damage Hillary Clinton, must be fully investigated.”

Swalwell continued, saying that Trump Jr.’s own claims prove that the Trump team “was willing to work with a foreign adversary to beat an American political opponent. That's a level of betrayal of our country we have never seen in politics.”

Three months after the meeting in Trump Tower, a Republican operative implied he was working Trump campaign adviser Michael Flynn to obtain Clinton's emails from Russian hackers. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Peter W. Smith told recruits for his project that he was in contact with Flynn and his son.

Flynn and the White House did not respond to requests for comment about the article.

– With additional reporting by Noah Shachtman
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:41 AM   #136
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CNN Donger is back at it again, I see......

How many months will this dead horse get beaten before they give up?
What on Earth are you talking about?
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:42 AM   #137
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Just say Russia and watch the CNN crowd go into a frenzy. Like a dog chasing a laser pointer.
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:52 AM   #138
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Just say Russia and watch the CNN crowd go into a frenzy. Like a dog chasing a laser pointer.
I have never met Donger, but CNN would not be a connection I would draw readily.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:03 AM   #139
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Surely you aren't denying that Junior was an active part of his campaign, right?
Trump Jr. does not serve in the administration and is not required to disclose his foreign contacts.

Kushner had over 100 calls or meetings with representatives of more than 20 countries, most of which were during transition. That is NORMAL. What is abnormal is the fascination with anything to do with Russia.

Had Hillary won, she would have had many contacts with different countries, including Russia omg!


Doesn't surprise me the liberal hacks who buy this crap up. What surprises me is the others that believe any Russian crap the media pushes down your throat.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:12 AM   #140
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Trump Jr. does not serve in the administration and is not required to disclose his foreign contacts.

Kushner had over 100 calls or meetings with representatives of more than 20 countries, most of which were during transition. That is NORMAL. What is abnormal is the fascination with anything to do with Russia.

Had Hillary won, she would have had many contacts with different countries, including Russia omg!
What is being investigated is if there was any collusion between the Russians and the trump campaign. Junior (and Manafort and Kushner) were part of that campaign.

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Doesn't surprise me the liberal hacks who buy this crap up. What surprises me is the others that believe any Russian crap the media pushes down your throat.
What's there to "buy"? See above.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:13 AM   #141
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I don't know if any laws were broken here or with the dossier. Like I said, if there were, prosecute.
But you claimed you knew, when you cited CNN's "report" (which turned out to be false like usual) in your mockery of us Trumpers who dismissed it.


Faceplanting is your modus operandi.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:18 AM   #142
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But you claimed you knew, when you cited CNN's "report" (which turned out to be false like usual) in your mockery of us Trumpers who dismissed it.


Faceplanting is your modus operandi.
I claimed I knew what, Bitch?
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If the son of the POTUS admits to attempting to collude with a representative of a hostile foreign power for dirt on political enemies, is it of any significance?
You seem to have an expansive definition of the kind of collusion that's improper if taking a meeting is an attempt to collude. There's nothing wrong with receiving a tip about your political rival.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:24 AM   #144
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Update from NY times:

By Callum Borchers
July 9 at 6:14 PM

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Donald Trump Jr. has made a potentially damaging New York Times report much, much worse.

The Times on Sunday reported that the president's eldest son was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in New York on June 9, 2016.

As Times reporters Jo Becker, Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman explained, Trump Jr.’s motivation for agreeing to the meeting “points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.”

Paul Manafort, the campaign’s chairman at the time, and Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, also attended.


Needless to say, the report looks bad for the president, even though his private legal team told the Times that Trump did not participate or even know about the meeting. Trump has a go-to playbook in situations like these: cast doubt on the credibility of unnamed sources (five, in this case) and cry, “Fake news!”

But Trump Jr. took that strategy off the table with a stunningly compromising first response. Check out this excerpt from the Times report:

In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

He said she then turned the conversation to adoption of Russian children and the Magnitsky Act, an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers. The law so enraged President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia that he retaliated by halting American adoptions of Russian children.

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

Read that last part again: “the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting.”

Trump Jr. confirmed that he went into the meeting expecting to receive information from the Russian lawyer that could hurt Clinton. That is a breathtaking admission.

The rest of Trump Jr.’s statement is an attempt to minimize the value of what the lawyer actually told him. The outcome of the meeting and its effect on the presidential race is important, of course, yet it is kind of beside the point.


Trump Jr.’s attempt to obtain information from a Russian lawyer that could harm Clinton seems likely to alarm investigators, regardless of whether the effort proved successful.
And?
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:27 AM   #145
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And?
Probably this:

Trump Jr. told the Times in March that he never met with any Russians while working in a campaign capacity.

“Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said. “But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”
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He openly said that when he decided to fire him he was thinking about the Russia investigation. That would seem to indicate that being the deciding factor, not 'competence', which is something he would have fired him for months before had it been an issue. The only thing that changed after the election was the intensity of the FBI scrutiny towards his team, period.
Why do you think this is important? What aspect of the Russia investigation did Trump say bothered him?
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:29 AM   #147
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Did Trump Jr. tell them he would have more flexibility after that election? Because that seems much more treasonous.
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Considering that some aspects of the dossier have apparently been verified as being accurate, I think it's inaccurate to call the dossier fake. But, Trump says it is, so it is.

And, if law(s) were broken with the dossier, I'm all for prosecution. Just as I am here.
you are so full of shit.

First off what was proven accurate in the dossier?
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:31 AM   #149
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You seem to have an expansive definition of the kind of collusion that's improper if taking a meeting is an attempt to collude. There's nothing wrong with receiving a tip about your political rival.
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“This was an effort to get opposition research on an opponent in an American political campaign from the Russians, who were known to be engaged in spying inside the United States,”

“We do not get our opposition research from spies, we do not collaborate with Russian spies, unless we want to be accused of treason.”
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So let me ask you this Donger, had the "Russian" simply called Trump Jr on the phone and said hey I have some info you might be interested in on Clinton do you want to hear it, then you think that's collusion?

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