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Old 04-25-2017, 03:08 PM   #31
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It's not always a matter of chasing cash - it's often a matter of survival in your field. You want tenure? You want to keep getting research grants? Global warming, baby. Preach it. My best friend is a professor with a PhD and two masters, but because he never drank the progressive koolaid he's basically been rendered a pariah by the fascists who control academia. Spent 12 years as a student at the University of Illinois, but couldn't get a job there now as a ****ing janitor - no straight white male libertarians allowed. But at least he can sleep at night. Of course, he was always single, had no kids to worry about, and grew wealthy through investing, so standing on principle was easier for him than most.

And yes, he sees global warming for the horseshit hoax power play that it is. And I guarantee he's smarter than that soulless **** Nye.
That's just not how research funding works. The granting system isn't based on pushing anything predetermined. The average tenured climate change scientist makes $120,000. It's a popular claim, but there's just no truth to it. Federal climate change funding is peanuts. And Trump just slashed the funding considerably more. Climate change study is not a lucrative field by any means. There are no rich climate scientists. You can't name any.

Here's an article explaining it: https://arstechnica.com/science/2016...for-the-money/

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Unfortunately, there's no indication that there's lots of money out there for the taking, either from the public or private sector.

For the US government, spending on climate research across 13 different agencies (from the Department of State to NASA) is tracked by the US Climate Change Science Program. The group has tracked the research budget since 1989, but not everything was brought under its umbrella until 1991. That year, according to CCSP figures, about $1.45 billion was spent on climate research (all figures are in 2007 dollars). Funding peaked back in 1995 at $2.4 billion, then bottomed out in 2006 at only $1.7 billion.

Funding has gone up a bit over the last couple of years, but it's at best brought us back to somewhere around the 1995 pea (not adjusting for inflation). It's clearly not a growth field, and it's not even one that's especially well funded to start with—the NIH alone has a $31 billion budget.

Not all of this money went to researchers anyway; part of the budget goes to NASA, and includes some of that agency's (rather pricey) hardware. For example, the Orbiting Carbon Observatory cost roughly $200 million, but failed to go into orbit; its replacement cost another $170 million.

Might the private sector make up for the lack of government money? Pretty unlikely. For starters, it's tough to identify many companies that have a vested interest in the scientific consensus. Renewable energy companies would seem to be the biggest winners, but they're still relatively tiny. In contrast, half of Fortune's top 10 global companies are in fossil fuels.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:38 PM   #32
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That's just not how research funding works. The granting system isn't based on pushing anything predetermined. The average tenured climate change scientist makes $120,000. It's a popular claim, but there's just no truth to it. Federal climate change funding is peanuts. And Trump just slashed the funding considerably more. Climate change study is not a lucrative field by any means. There are no rich climate scientists. You can't name any.

Here's an article explaining it: https://arstechnica.com/science/2016...for-the-money/
"The granting system isn't based on anything predetermined"

What utter and complete horseshit. Do you actually believe this crap?

Grant proposals at every University in every dicsipline are built around getting government or industy or both to fund reseach that is set up to either prove or eliminate theories or approaches to create a solution to a identified problem.

How successful would a grant proposal be to show climate change or any ofbits iterations is bullshit?

Or a proposal that seeks to show all cancer drugs are ineffective? Or that shamanism is preferable to modern medical approaches to treat childhood diabetes?

You fail miserably as an advocate for climate change and its solutions. In this one post you have shown how terribly misguided you are or how willing you are to promote through any means a falsehood.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:40 PM   #33
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:53 PM   #35
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:53 PM   #36
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That's just not how research funding works. The granting system isn't based on pushing anything predetermined. The average tenured climate change scientist makes $120,000. It's a popular claim, but there's just no truth to it. Federal climate change funding is peanuts. And Trump just slashed the funding considerably more. Climate change study is not a lucrative field by any means. There are no rich climate scientists. You can't name any.

Here's an article explaining it: https://arstechnica.com/science/2016...for-the-money/


It's ALL based on pushing a predetermined agenda. And thank God that Trump is slashing funding for it.

Also I was obviously talking about more than just "climate scientists." That being said, $120K might not get you an estate in the Hamptons, but it's not exactly chump change, either. It's a good wage for an obedient little non-questioning trooper in the Great Cause. And it's certainly more than you'll make working third shift at Quick Trip if you don't play ball with the progs-in-charge.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:53 PM   #37
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"The granting system isn't based on anything predetermined"

What utter and complete horseshit. Do you actually believe this crap?

Grant proposals at every University in every dicsipline are built around getting government or industy or both to fund reseach that is set up to either prove or eliminate theories or approaches to create a solution to a identified problem.

How successful would a grant proposal be to show climate change or any ofbits iterations is bullshit?

Or a proposal that seeks to show all cancer drugs are ineffective? Or that shamanism is preferable to modern medical approaches to treat childhood diabetes?

You fail miserably as an advocate for climate change and its solutions. In this one post you have shown how terribly misguided you are or how willing you are to promote through any means a falsehood.
Umm... that's exactly how the scientific process is supposed to work. If someone had a grant to study climate change, and actually showed that the idea of climate change was bullshit, that would be a really huge success. As well as showing all cancer drugs were ineffective. Those kinds of results would earn the scientist much fame and guarantee additional funding. Science is about proof. And proof that an existing theory is wrong is the most sought after proof in science. Scientists love to prove each other wrong. Like the article pointed out, there's not nearly as much money in confirming the consensus.

I suggest you read the article I posted. It does a better job explaining it.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:02 PM   #38
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Ya know, shooting the messenger & how he comes off is one thing.

I'm not weighing in on Nye.

I can certainly understand how a guy like Al Gore, who seemed to self-ordain himself as the Lorax of the early new millennium, could be grating and counterproductive as the face of a cause.

How people are skeptical of the impact on the ecosystem that humans have had & the negative impact it continues to have is baffling? We're overpopulated, no different than hunting certain species that are in a surplus in areas where they sanction controlled thinning of the population.

Obviously, that isn't going to be the answer, and if you have a growing population that is consuming more resources & subsequently producing more waste / byproducts, then you need to lessen the individual footprint & reduce the impact.

Humans have been able to manipulate and control their environment by artificial means that has allowed us to expand to regions & climates that would be inhospitable otherwise.

As a species, we could only survive naturally in a region & climate that makes up around 6% of the world's landmass. We now have an impact on roughly 83% of the world's landmass.

Obviously, we have expanded to inhabit a lot more, and that artificial means of adapting to survive has resulted in an imbalance of nature. Being mindful of this, it's only wise to minimize the impact to avoid ecological collapse.

I digress, but it seems silly to ignore the fact that we have a significant hand in altering the global climate in negative ways due to our day to day way of life.
The defense of fossil fuels vs seeking clean and renewable energy sources by advancing technology seems like being fixated on looking to the past instead of the future. Cheap renewable clean energy would be healthier for us individually, as a planet, and globally, as well as free this country & other countries of their dependence upon foreign energy and affecting our policy decisions due to that dependence. You think the US would be heavily involved in the ME if not for oil consideration? And, that's only one example.
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Millions or billions(maybe... number keeps changing) of years in the making, planet can only withstand a little over a century of industrialization, humans can only survive 80 years on average....

Talk about flawed...kind of like being a man and calling yourself a woman, or being white and calling yourself black, or being an engineer and calling yourself a scientist.
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Who is paying Bill Nye to be a spokesman for global warming?
He's not getting paid. At one time he was just a normal mechanical engineering student but then he got kidnapped and sent to one of George Soros reeducation camps. He hasn't been the same since.
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He's not getting paid. At one time he was just a normal mechanical engineering student but then he got kidnapped and sent to one of George Soros reeducation camps. He hasn't been the same since.
He's always been a celebrity boob. I don't really care for Nye myself, and I think his nutso theatrics like this take away from any positive science message he might want to get across. He's shown in the past to be pretty ignorant on some topics he should know better on. And he's looked like a dope debating some crazy creationist nuts like Ken Ham. If he's getting paid, they should get a refund...
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Some of you people around here act like Soros is the real-life offspring of Cobra Commander & Dr. Claw; orphaned as a small child, and raised by all the Bond villains.

He's somehow ascended in his geriatric state and become the puppet master of the Illuminati, Freemasons, Bilderberg Group, Skull and Bones, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Priory of Sion, Bohemian Grove, Committee of 300, Girl Scouts, & Knights Templar.

Which, for those of us who are part of real secret society that controls the world, laugh & refer them as just FIBCTPSCT.
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Some of you people around here act like Soros is the real-life offspring of Cobra Commander & Dr. Claw; orphaned as a small child, and raised by all the Bond villains.

He's somehow ascended in his geriatric state and become the puppet master of the Illuminati, Freemasons, Bilderberg Group, Skull and Bones, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Priory of Sion, Bohemian Grove, Committee of 300, Girl Scouts, & Knights Templar.
Nah, he's not making anyone do anything they don't want to do. He's just always ready with scrilla and organizational channels when activists feel the need for social impact.

Kind of like how 'big oil $$' is supposedly the sole motivating force behind any and all climate science skepticism.
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How people are skeptical of the impact on the ecosystem that humans have had & the negative impact it continues to have is baffling? We're overpopulated, no different than hunting certain species that are in a surplus in areas where they sanction controlled thinning of the population.
Asserted without evidence. In fact Eurasia was under the most plow in the bronze age. Its remarkable how such a simple thing as creating a new strain of wheat and thus doubling available food allowed the wilds to grow. North America has more trees now than when the Europeans showed up.

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Obviously, that isn't going to be the answer, and if you have a growing population that is consuming more resources & subsequently producing more waste / byproducts, then you need to lessen the individual footprint & reduce the impact.
The areas with a growing population are areas that have not industrialized yet. In fact industrialization leads to a declining population as having many kids leads to a financial drag instead of a multiplier in agricultural societies and leads to the luxury good of environmental preservation.

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Humans have been able to manipulate and control their environment by artificial means that has allowed us to expand to regions & climates that would be inhospitable otherwise.
You are many thousands of years to late. Humans inhabited every climate, with the exception of Antarctica long before industrialization.

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As a species, we could only survive naturally in a region & climate that makes up around 6% of the world's landmass. We now have an impact on roughly 83% of the world's landmass.
As a species, and breedable subspecies, naturally inhabited places like Ice Age Europe. Climates far harsher than almost any seen today.

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Obviously, we have expanded to inhabit a lot more, and that artificial means of adapting to survive has resulted in an imbalance of nature. Being mindful of this, it's only wise to minimize the impact to avoid ecological collapse.
Again long before industrialization. Also, pre-industrialized farming techniques were much more destructive as most societies relied on slash and burn agriculture.

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I digress, but it seems silly to ignore the fact that we have a significant hand in altering the global climate in negative ways due to our day to day way of life.
That is in fact not a fact. It is an opinion.

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The defense of fossil fuels vs seeking clean and renewable energy sources by advancing technology seems like being fixated on looking to the past instead of the future.
Fossil fuels are the most reliable energy dense product that we have currently with the exception of nuclear but the environmentalists hate nuclear way more than fossil fuels.

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Not cheap. Not renewable due to need of rare earth materials, and a supposition it would be healthier as rare earth materials are mostly quite toxic and mining them is quite environmentally destructive compared to say oil & gas wells.

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as well as free this country & other countries of their dependence upon foreign energy and affecting our policy decisions due to that dependence. You think the US would be heavily involved in the ME if not for oil consideration? And, that's only one example.
Fracking has already done that. We are discovering multiple plays that each one rival the size of Saudi Arabias. It is the politicians ego and hubris that keep us involved in the ME when we don't need to be.
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