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Old 08-04-2015, 06:10 PM  
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Seattle became the first city in the nation to implement the $15 per hour minimum wage this past spring. Fox News reports that one unintended effect is that workers who are earning the higher wage are asking for fewer hours, so they can remain eligible for low income government benefits like childcare and tax credits.

Full Life Care, a home nursing nonprofit, told KIRO-TV in Seattle that several workers want to work less.

Local radio talk show host Jason Rantz on KIRO-FM noted the irony: “If [employees] cut down their hours to stay on those subsidies because the $15 per hour minimum wage didn’t actually help get them out of poverty, all you’ve done is put a burden on the business and given false hope to a lot of people.”

“Despite a booming economy throughout western Washington, the state’s welfare caseload has dropped very little since the higher wage phase began in Seattle in April. In March 130,851 people were enrolled in the Basic Food program. In April, the caseload dropped to 130,376,” according to Fox News.

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“Some restaurants have tacked on a 15 percent surcharge to cover the higher wages. And some managers are no longer encouraging customers to tip, leading to a redistribution of income. Workers in the back of the kitchen, such as dishwashers and cooks, are getting paid more, but servers who rely on tips are seeing a pay cut,” Fox News reported.

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Earlier this year, as the implementation of the minimum wage law loomed, Seattle Magazine noted that something appeared to be afoot affecting the restaurant industry in the city, asking: “Why Are So Many Seattle Restaurants Closing Lately? “Seattle foodies [are] downcast,” the magazine reported

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The magazine went on to report that one “major factor affecting restaurant futures in our city is the impending minimum wage hike.” Anthony Anton, president and CEO of the Washington Restaurant Association, told the magazine: “It’s not a political problem; it’s a math problem.” He estimates that restaurants usually have a budget breakdown of about 36 percent for labor, 30 percent for food costs, and 30 percent to cover other operational costs. That leaves 4 percent for a profit margin. When labor costs shoot up to, say 42 percent, something has to give.

Shah Burnham is just one Seattle restaurant owner who believes that keeping her doors open is no longer worth it. She owns a popular Z Pizza restaurant location and says that even though her one store only has 12 employees, she’s considered part of the Z Pizza franchise — a large business. So she has to give raises within the next two years. “Small businesses in the city have up to six more years to phase in the new $15 an hour minimum wage,” according to Seattle’s Fox News 13.

“I know that I would have stayed here if I had 7 years, just like everyone else, if I had an even playing field,” she says. “The discrimination I’m feeling right now against my small business makes me not want to stay and do anything in Seattle.”

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The Heritage Foundation notes the minimum wage is usually for new workers, with a low percentage of Americans receiving it. The organization also points out some other interesting statistics:

Over half of minimum-wage earners are between the ages of 16 and 24.
Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.
Only 2.9 percent of wage earners earn the federal minimum wage.
Most minimum-wage earners are teenagers or young adults, not heads of families.
Two-thirds work part time (defined as less than 35 hours a week).
Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers live in families with incomes above 150 percent of the poverty line.
Just 4 percent of minimum-wage workers are single parents working full time, compared to 5.6 percent of all U.S. workers.

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Old 08-04-2015, 09:57 PM   #16
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Perhaps higher minimums will attract more entitled white kids, thus slowing immigration due to lack of jobs.

I see help wanted signs all over PHX. All the time. I blame today's parents. Make your kid go out and get a job. I lied about my age to get my first job as Shoney's.
If you're seeing that all over PHX, then all those employers need to do is raise the pay they offer to attract more workers. That's all they have to do. The govt isn't need to raise that pay in such circumstances.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:00 PM   #17
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People get paid based on their marginal value productivity. You're not lucky or blessed. Your pay is likely based on that. You likely did things to put you in that category too. It should be for others instead of sympathy that others just need more.
I was born white, to parents who could live in a decent neighborhood and send me to college. That's how I see it.

I can't imagine being born into the inner city. While I have excelled on my own after college, I cant imagine I'd have had the fortitude to bust through the barriers faced by inner city kids.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:06 PM   #18
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I was born white, to parents who could live in a decent neighborhood and send me to college. That's how I see it.
Do you realize how much govt aid is available to low income students who want to go to college? Quite a lot. My daughter is friends with mostly Hispanics with families from Colombia and Mexico and they get a LOT of money and free housing. They even get money to go to China and Europe.

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I can't imagine being born into the inner city. While I have excelled on my own after college, I cant imagine I'd have had the fortitude to bust through the barriers faced by inner city kids.
Ben Carson did it. Those who don't bother don't deserve to be helped. It's on them and their parents for failing.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:12 PM   #19
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So a dollar on average maybe? Dunno. But I don't mind if it affords others a living wage. Honest engine.

I've been lucky and blessed. Others have not.
More than that as prices rise it puts an upward price pressure on everything. Everyone's costs are eventually going to go up so everybody is going to raise prices, cut quality, and/or cut quantity.

Rising prices are not good for the poor.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:15 PM   #20
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More than that as prices rise it puts an upward price pressure on everything. Everyone's costs are eventually going to go up so everybody is going to raise prices, cut quality, and/or cut quantity.

Rising prices are not good for the poor.
Minimum has been raised before. We survived.

$20 - $30 bucks more out of my pocket per month doesn't phase me.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:17 PM   #21
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Minimum has been raised before. We survived.
Not as much. Most of the time the minimum wage was raised very close to the market price for labor. This raise is not.

For example, raising the minimum wage in Puerto Rico to the minimum for the United States was incredibly destructive to employment and Puerto Rico still suffers from a > 10% unemployment rate.
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Old 08-04-2015, 11:30 PM   #22
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I thought Hispanic labor was supposed to solve this argument? They keep prices low by working for peanuts right? "Who will cook our food and wash our dishes" kinda thingy. Now we hear that it isn't the goal, and higher wages are only fair. Which is it?
That must've been a republican talking point. Never seen anything like except for in the exporting of jobs to other countries.
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Old 08-04-2015, 11:34 PM   #23
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Do you realize how much govt aid is available to low income students who want to go to college?
Not enough.
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Not as much. Most of the time the minimum wage was raised very close to the market price for labor. This raise is not.

For example, raising the minimum wage in Puerto Rico to the minimum for the United States was incredibly destructive to employment and Puerto Rico still suffers from a > 10% unemployment rate.
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Old 08-04-2015, 11:57 PM   #25
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Not enough.
Way too much. It's quite extensive.

Are you willing to be taxed 70% to pay for more?
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Maybe they should be forced to pick:

a. 15/hr, less hours, stay on subsidies.

b. 8/hr, more hours, less subsidies

How would that go?

I guess I just get mad at those who are capable and want to live off someone else.

The other option would be:

a. stay on current subsidies

b. get a job, and subsidize a job training
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Too low.
Looks like you & I are chasing our tail again. Ok fine, get rid of cheap Hispanic labor (which you and others promised was our end of the bargain for them being here) and I'll fully agree to all these Min Wage raises.


Do we have a deal?
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Old 08-05-2015, 07:14 AM   #29
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Minimum has been raised before. We survived.

$20 - $30 bucks more out of my pocket per month doesn't phase me.
How's the economy doing now? Not so good.

And when it was booming it was artificially stimulated. Besides studies show it does affect unemployment. Unless you read a study of this on Common Dreams like Loneiguana. Besides how can you put a statistic on something that never gets created? Instead employers have been just adding to current worker's workload to get more done to compensate. People have been complaining about that.

Though most minimum wage jobs are filled by teenagers.
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Oh, it's funny that you think that's how this works.
It's funny that you use nothing at all to back your pithy assertions.
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