NFL Draft Ouch: PFW Evaluates Geno, Barkley - Page 10

Marco Polo · 04-01-2013, 03:07 PM

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Posted April 01, 2013 @ 2:32 p.m. ET
By Nolan Nawrocki

The following scouting reports were taken from Pro Football Weekly's 2013 Draft Preview book, which is now on sale. You can order it today through the PFW Store, or by calling 1-800-FOOTBALL (Monday through Friday from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. CT).

QB Matt Barkley, #7
USC
PFW Grade: 6.03
Ht: 6-21/2 | Wt: 227 | Sp: 4.95e | Arm: 305/8 | Hand: 101/8
Notes: His father, Les, was an All-American water polo player at USC (1976-79) and brother, Sam, is a hurdler on the USC track team. A four-year starter who threw for 9,487 yards and 78 touchdowns as a California prep. Suffered a broken collarbone in his first year of high school, when he was allowed to call his own plays. Became the first junior to be named Gatorade National Player of the Year in 2007 after throwing for 3,576 yards and 35 touchdowns. Enrolled at USC in time for spring practice in ’09 and was named the starter in the fall as a true freshman. In 12 starts, he completed 211-of-352 pass attempts (59.9 percent) for 2,735 yards with 15 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Became the first USC true freshman ever to start an opener and the first true freshman to start an opener at QB for an AP Top Five team since Michigan’s Rick Leach in 1975. Missed the Washington game with a bruised right shoulder. Had surgery on his right wrist to relieve stiffness and inflammation prior to ’10 spring practice. In the fall, threw for 236-377-2,791-26-12 (62.6) in 12 starts. Was sidelined for second half of the Oregon State game and against Notre Dame with a high ankle sprain. Had a record-setting ’11 campaign with 308-446-3,528-39-7 (69.1) in 12 starts. Set the Pac-12 record for touchdown passes and broke the school mark for completion percentage. Became the top signalcaller in USC history in ’12 after hitting 246-387-3,273-36-15 (63.6) in 11 starts. Suffered a sprained AC joint (type III) in his throwing (right) shoulder on a hit against UCLA and missed the final two games of his collegiate career. Finished with 20 USC career, season and game marks with 10 also being Pac-12 records. Was the winner of the Wuerffel Trophy, awarded for exemplary community service with athletic and academic achievement. Was USC’s first-ever three-time captain and had a 34-13 record in 47 career starts. Did not work out at the Combine to rest his throwing shoulder.
Positives: Thickly built. Experienced four-year starter in a pro-style offense with progression NFL reads. Terrific football intelligence. Good decision-maker — knows when and where to go with the ball. Throws on balance with a smooth, fluid delivery. Good enough arm strength to connect deep — can drop it in a bucket and showed improved deep accuracy as a senior. Good short-to-intermediate accuracy and overall anticipation. Tough and will deliver with pressure barreling down — good poise and on-field demeanor. Can sidestep the rush and manipulate coverage with his eyes. Outstanding intangibles and leadership traits — commands respect from teammates. Rallied comeback wins throughout his career, from the time he was the first freshman to start for a top-5-ranked team since 1975 against Ohio State, to Oregon (2011) and Utah (2012). Very intelligent with an engaging personality. Team tempo-setter. Can elevate a locker room, uplift an organization and represent a franchise with integrity. Very strong support structure. Is a pro’s pro and football is very important to him. Highly determined.
Negatives: Has short arms and average grip strength (student manager was fired for deflating balls). Does not snap it quickly and spiral is not tight. Heavy-footed and cannot improvise or create with his feet. Cannot easily manipulate his arm and throwing platform under duress and the ball dies when he can’t step into it. Does not drive the ball down the field with high RPMs. Not quick-eyed — many throws are pre-determined at the line, and he will hold the ball too long on some progressions. Can be streaky (see Washington). Never beat Stanford’s pro-style defense in four years.
Summary: A cool, confident, rhythm passer who suffered as a senior behind a leaky, injured offensive line that left little time to throw. Looked much more comfortable as a junior with an elite left tackle. Is slow-footed and could be more prone to injury in the pros and take some time to adapt to live NFL bullets. Leadership traits, strength of character and football IQ will allow to operate at a high level in a play-action passing game with a clean pocket and a talented cast of receivers. Can become a very solid NFL starter and thrive with a strong supporting cast. A cross between Drew Brees and Colt McCoy.
NFL projection: First-round pick.

QB Geno Smith, #12
West Virginia
PFW Grade: 5.39
Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4
Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.
Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.
Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.
Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.
NFL projection: Top-50 pick

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

You're a ****ing idiot Pat.

I'm not the idiot that fell for this crap about bigotry like you did though, so I've got that going for me.

BryanBusby · 04-03-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I'm not the idiot that fell for this crap about bigotry like you did though, so I've got that going for me.

No you're just a ****ing idiot. Pointing out that Nolan thinks he's a good athlete that's lazy and a poor leader doesn't mean he's being fair, even though it's clear he's obviously wrong and has done this multiple times.

Go back to DC.

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

No you're just a ****ing idiot. Pointing out that Nolan thinks he's a good athlete that's lazy and a poor leader doesn't mean he's being fair, even though it's clear he's obviously wrong and has done this multiple times.

Go back to DC.

It's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't know whether he's being fair or not, but you certainly have no legitimate reason to believe he's being unfair. You're basing your entire case on your own prejudices.

What I have proven though, is that you were wrong when you said that he "completely belittle[d] and dismiss[ed] Geno Smith as a prospect." So at the very least, we know you're not being fair.

BryanBusby · 04-03-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't know whether he's being fair or not, but you certainly have no legitimate reason to believe he's being unfair. You're basing your entire case on your own prejudices.

What I have proven though, is that you were wrong when you said that he "completely belittle[d] and dismiss[ed] Geno Smith as a prospect." So at the very least, we know you're not being fair.

It's clear you're just talking out of your ****ing ass. I'm not the one that's writing a scouting report that's taking personal shots at a 22 year old kid with information that's unbelievably wrong. I'm also not the one that has a known history of doing this with other young QB's, who also happened to be black.

I do have a legitimate reason to believe he's being unfair when he's passing along information like it's gospel when he has no ****ing clue. Unless he was sitting in team meeting rooms in the combine, how does he know how Geno did in interviews and on the board? He doesn't. Where did he even get the idea that Geno isn't a hard worker, when everyone else knows it's ****ing bullshit and has called him out on it.

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It's clear you're just talking out of your ****ing ass. I'm not the one that's writing a scouting report that's taking personal shots at a 22 year old kid with information that's unbelievably wrong. I'm also not the one that has a known history of doing this with other young QB's, who also happened to be black.

I don't believe you know anything about his history. You're just repeating things you heard someone else say.

And no, you're not writing a scouting report. But everything I said about you was still true.

**RealSNR** · 04-03-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't know how much of this is from Stephen A. Smith and how much of it is yours, but either way, did you read the quote I posted from Nawrocki about RGIII? It looks like he nailed that one. None of these guys are going to get everything right, but it's ridiculous to say he got something wrong and therefore he's not a journalist. And so far, I haven't seen any strong evidence that he's gotten much wrong, even though I know he inevitably must miss on some of it.

You can find out what Stephen A. Smith said. That's why I embedded the video for your convenience.

Also, you COMPLETELY whiffed on my point.

BryanBusby · 04-03-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't believe you know anything about his history. You're just repeating things you heard someone else say.

And no, you're not writing a scouting report. But everything I said about you was still true.

I've seen enough and heard enough to have no reason to not believe he's a hard worker.

Everything you've said about me is false.

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You can find out what Stephen A. Smith said. That's why I embedded the video for your convenience.

Also, you COMPLETELY whiffed on my point.

Feel free to clarify your point and help me out.

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I've seen enough and heard enough to have no reason to not believe he's a hard worker.

I'm sure that if I untangle that sentence, it makes sense and represents a valid opinion about Geno Smith. Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong about him. That doesn't make your allegations about Nawrocki any more reasonable though.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Everything you've said about me is false.

I don't believe you.

BryanBusby · 04-03-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I'm sure that if I untangle that sentence, it makes sense and represents a valid opinion about Geno Smith. Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong about him. That doesn't make your allegations about Nawrocki any more reasonable though.

I think it's perfectly reasonable when he has a history of doing this. You can question and try to play the What If card as much as you'd like, but you're clearly throwing out accusations when it's clear you're lacking understanding in what you're discussing. If he came with actual legitimate criticisms of Geno Smith (and there's plenty) and didn't take the tone of making his scouting report as slam article, nobody would be throwing out accusations against him.

In short, feel free to go back to the cesspool in D.C where you have a better shot at tricking others into thinking you have a clue. Really don't care if you believe me or not.

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think it's perfectly reasonable when he has a history of doing this. You can question and try to play the What If card as much as you'd like, but you're clearly throwing out accusations when it's clear you're lacking understanding in what you're discussing. If he came with actual legitimate criticisms of Geno Smith (and there's plenty) and didn't take the tone of making his scouting report as slam article, nobody would be throwing out accusations against him.

In short, feel free to go back to the cesspool in D.C where you have a better shot at tricking others into thinking you have a clue. Really don't care if you believe me or not.

Link me to this history of his that you've personally read. I'm confident that I've seen more of his history than you have. And while you're at it, make sure you check out the context in which that history occurs. I'll wait.

Just Passin' By · 04-03-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think it's perfectly reasonable when he has a history of doing this. You can question and try to play the What If card as much as you'd like, but you're clearly throwing out accusations when it's clear you're lacking understanding in what you're discussing. If he came with actual legitimate criticisms of Geno Smith (and there's plenty) and didn't take the tone of making his scouting report as slam article, nobody would be throwing out accusations against him.

In short, feel free to go back to the cesspool in D.C where you have a better shot at tricking others into thinking you have a clue. Really don't care if you believe me or not.

You're talking out of your ass on this. Some of what the man said about Newton was shown to be true, and there have been several other reporter/draft geeks who've now stated that they have heard reports about a lot of what he's said regarding Smith.

AlexSmithDynasty · 04-03-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Almost everyone gives Barkley more credit for leadership than Geno Smith. It's not racist just because a black man is being criticized.

I'm the farthest thing from a Geno supporter, I just thought it was ridiculous the guy is saying outlandish things like Geno isn't respected by teammates. Seems like he's being overly critical about things he doesn't know about.

patteeu · 04-03-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty

I'm the farthest thing from a Geno supporter, I just thought it was ridiculous the guy is saying outlandish things like Geno isn't respected by teammates. Seems like he's being overly critical about things he doesn't know about.

But yet you're doing exactly the same thing by calling what he said outlandish without really knowing. All that either of you can do is base your opinion on what you've heard from other people. Do you honestly think he's just making this stuff up of do you think it's more likely that he has sources telling him these things?

Mecca · 04-03-2013, 03:19 PM

Yes, let's take what Mayock said like it means something.

I wonder if he's still busy trying to build a team around Aaron Curry and Robert Ayers you know they are future HOFers according to him.

04-01-2013, 03:07 PM
Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $5848908	Ouch: PFW Evaluates Geno, Barkley Sorry if Q http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...outing-reports Posted April 01, 2013 @ 2:32 p.m. ET By Nolan Nawrocki The following scouting reports were taken from Pro Football Weekly's 2013 Draft Preview book, which is now on sale. You can order it today through the PFW Store, or by calling 1-800-FOOTBALL (Monday through Friday from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. CT). QB Matt Barkley, #7 USC PFW Grade: 6.03 Ht: 6-21/2 \| Wt: 227 \| Sp: 4.95e \| Arm: 305/8 \| Hand: 101/8 Notes: His father, Les, was an All-American water polo player at USC (1976-79) and brother, Sam, is a hurdler on the USC track team. A four-year starter who threw for 9,487 yards and 78 touchdowns as a California prep. Suffered a broken collarbone in his first year of high school, when he was allowed to call his own plays. Became the first junior to be named Gatorade National Player of the Year in 2007 after throwing for 3,576 yards and 35 touchdowns. Enrolled at USC in time for spring practice in ’09 and was named the starter in the fall as a true freshman. In 12 starts, he completed 211-of-352 pass attempts (59.9 percent) for 2,735 yards with 15 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Became the first USC true freshman ever to start an opener and the first true freshman to start an opener at QB for an AP Top Five team since Michigan’s Rick Leach in 1975. Missed the Washington game with a bruised right shoulder. Had surgery on his right wrist to relieve stiffness and inflammation prior to ’10 spring practice. In the fall, threw for 236-377-2,791-26-12 (62.6) in 12 starts. Was sidelined for second half of the Oregon State game and against Notre Dame with a high ankle sprain. Had a record-setting ’11 campaign with 308-446-3,528-39-7 (69.1) in 12 starts. Set the Pac-12 record for touchdown passes and broke the school mark for completion percentage. Became the top signalcaller in USC history in ’12 after hitting 246-387-3,273-36-15 (63.6) in 11 starts. Suffered a sprained AC joint (type III) in his throwing (right) shoulder on a hit against UCLA and missed the final two games of his collegiate career. Finished with 20 USC career, season and game marks with 10 also being Pac-12 records. Was the winner of the Wuerffel Trophy, awarded for exemplary community service with athletic and academic achievement. Was USC’s first-ever three-time captain and had a 34-13 record in 47 career starts. Did not work out at the Combine to rest his throwing shoulder. Positives: Thickly built. Experienced four-year starter in a pro-style offense with progression NFL reads. Terrific football intelligence. Good decision-maker — knows when and where to go with the ball. Throws on balance with a smooth, fluid delivery. Good enough arm strength to connect deep — can drop it in a bucket and showed improved deep accuracy as a senior. Good short-to-intermediate accuracy and overall anticipation. Tough and will deliver with pressure barreling down — good poise and on-field demeanor. Can sidestep the rush and manipulate coverage with his eyes. Outstanding intangibles and leadership traits — commands respect from teammates. Rallied comeback wins throughout his career, from the time he was the first freshman to start for a top-5-ranked team since 1975 against Ohio State, to Oregon (2011) and Utah (2012). Very intelligent with an engaging personality. Team tempo-setter. Can elevate a locker room, uplift an organization and represent a franchise with integrity. Very strong support structure. Is a pro’s pro and football is very important to him. Highly determined. Negatives: Has short arms and average grip strength (student manager was fired for deflating balls). Does not snap it quickly and spiral is not tight. Heavy-footed and cannot improvise or create with his feet. Cannot easily manipulate his arm and throwing platform under duress and the ball dies when he can’t step into it. Does not drive the ball down the field with high RPMs. Not quick-eyed — many throws are pre-determined at the line, and he will hold the ball too long on some progressions. Can be streaky (see Washington). Never beat Stanford’s pro-style defense in four years. Summary: A cool, confident, rhythm passer who suffered as a senior behind a leaky, injured offensive line that left little time to throw. Looked much more comfortable as a junior with an elite left tackle. Is slow-footed and could be more prone to injury in the pros and take some time to adapt to live NFL bullets. Leadership traits, strength of character and football IQ will allow to operate at a high level in a play-action passing game with a clean pocket and a talented cast of receivers. Can become a very solid NFL starter and thrive with a strong supporting cast. A cross between Drew Brees and Colt McCoy. NFL projection: First-round pick. QB Geno Smith, #12 West Virginia PFW Grade: 5.39 Ht: 6-23/8 \| Wt: 218 \| Sp: 4.59 \| Arm: 321/2 \| Hand: 91/4 Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts. Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain. Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching. Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities. NFL projection: Top-50 pick
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