Chiropractors....

[penguinz]

Went for the first time ever yesterday. Lower back and sciatic pain virtually gone.

Wish I had gone sooner!


What are your thoughts on back crackers?

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Just saying, there had to be some science behind it if it worked. Her wall was covered with testimonials by others too, including some treated by allopathic physicians. In fact my gyn goes to her for some things.

She knows something that MD allergists and those with a PhD in Immunology don't about immunoglobulins, I guess .

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Zero science behind them having any use other than temporary pain relief for back issues. Basically like a massage will give you.

It amazes me that it is an accepted profession given that they are only marginally more useful than witch doctors.

If this were remotely true, how would you explain the fact it's a covered benefit in 95% of insurance plans in existence? You think insurance companies cover it because patient's like it and it feels good?

Also, what do you think should be the first method of treatment or portal for someone suffering from back pain? After all, it's the most common health complaint that any person will suffer from in their lifetime. You believe they should go to their PCP, who know's very little about biomechanics of the spine and/or soft tissue treatment, and get the standard "pain pill and muscle relaxer" prescription?

[kevonm]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

I'm MD trained. I have encountered a lot of DO's, and they are great doctors. The reason I didn't do DO was because test scores tend to be a bit lower at those schools (see below), and I was afraid it wouldn't prepare me as well as an MD school.



As for chiros: If you understand the risks and you get relief, go for it. I'm wary of them doing allergy testing, though. I've heard they do IgG testing instead of IgE, which drives allergists up a wall because it is fundamentally flawed.

Feel free to correlate MCAT with licensing exams other than step 1

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by blake5676

If this were remotely true, how would you explain the fact it's a covered benefit in 95% of insurance plans in existence? You think insurance companies cover it because patient's like it and it feels good?

Also, what do you think should be the first method of treatment or portal for someone suffering from back pain? After all, it's the most common health complaint that any person will suffer from in their lifetime. You believe they should go to their PCP, who know's very little about biomechanics of the spine and/or soft tissue treatment, and get the standard "pain pill and muscle relaxer" prescription?

+ Physical Therapy, as Austin said

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

77 Percent Of Doctors Say AMA Does Not Represent Their Views

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011...t-their-views/

Fair enough. However, the article is from 2011 and states most disagreement with the AMA is from failure to lobby for preventing payment cuts for their profession or to get better tort reform.

The above lawsuit, which I linked bc someone asked, was from 40 years ago when the AMA was found guilty of conspiring to "contain and eliminate" the chiropractic profession.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by kevonm

Feel free to correlate MCAT with licensing exams other than step 1

No use. I don't think MD's make better clinicians than DO's, as I think its up to the individual on how they choose to practice medicine. I thought that going in, but if I had to do it again, I would be happy going either route.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

+ Physical Therapy, as Austin said

What is a physical therapist trained to do that a chiropractor is not? Most chiropractors I know have EMS, ultrasound, traction, and rehab areas in their offices as well. And vice versa as well. In my opinion, they are both musculoskeletal specialists.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Fair enough. However, the article is from 2011 and states most disagreement with the AMA is from failure to lobby for preventing payment cuts for their profession or to get better tort reform.

The above lawsuit, which I linked bc someone asked, was from 40 years ago when the AMA was found guilty of conspiring to "contain and eliminate" the chiropractic profession.

Ah, interesting. The AMA is corrupt as hell, man. I can assure you they do not represent us as a whole.

At that time, I don't really know, but I would guess many of those docs guilty of this aren't practicing anymore.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by blake5676

What is a physical therapist trained to do that a chiropractor is not? Most chiropractors I know have EMS, ultrasound, traction, and rehab areas in their offices as well. And vice versa as well. In my opinion, they are both musculoskeletal specialists.

I was pointing out that PCPs do more than pain med+muscle relaxer.

Here's the thing: I don't really care one way or the other. Full disclosure, I'm a surgeon who works on completely different disease processes. If you go to a chiro and they provide you with a service that you find comforting, great.

[HonestChieffan]

Crystals, linaments, salves plus phrenology all work especially if you use an herbalist and aroma therapy at the same time.

The medicine shows and tent healers of the 1800s are still among us with the following of faith healers and mystics.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist

Ah, interesting. The AMA is corrupt as hell, man. I can assure you they do not represent us as a whole.

At that time, I don't really know, but I would guess many of those docs guilty of this aren't practicing anymore.

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that all medical doctors follow the mantra of the AMA. And as I said, that lawsuit was over 40 years old...but at the time the AMA published and taught that "chiropractic kills" and made a vested and real effort to eliminate the profession as a whole. Healthcare in general is so far removed from actual providers. It's all political bullshit and government redtape.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that all medical doctors follow the mantra of the AMA. And as I said, that lawsuit was over 40 years old...but at the time the AMA published and taught that "chiropractic kills" and made a vested and real effort to eliminate the profession as a whole. Healthcare in general is so far removed from actual providers. It's all political bullshit and government redtape.

Very, very true.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Ok, I'll give credit where credit is due. Nice post. Osteopaths don't get enough credit.

I worked in a level 1 inner city trauma center D.O. hospital for 5 years. Some were brilliant. Some were dumbshits.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Crystals, linaments, salves plus phrenology all work especially if you use an herbalist and aroma therapy at the same time.

The medicine shows and tent healers of the 1800s are still among us with the following of faith healers and mystics.

Despite no one here mentioning the use of crystals, phrenology, mysticism, faith healing or aromatherapy here.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by blake5676

If this were remotely true, how would you explain the fact it's a covered benefit in 95% of insurance plans in existence? You think insurance companies cover it because patient's like it and it feels good?

Yup it's covered in my plan.

Also, what do you think should be the first method of treatment or portal for someone suffering from back pain? After all, it's the most common health complaint that any person will suffer from in their lifetime. You believe they should go to their PCP, who know's very little about biomechanics of the spine and/or soft tissue treatment, and get the standard "pain pill and muscle relaxer" prescription?

Or unnecessary surgery. Chiros have saved many from that invasive practice and huge expense—far more expensive than surgery.