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Old 01-10-2017, 01:18 PM  
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DeShaun Watson: The Time Is Now

Yeah. This is happening.

Watson will almost certainly be on the board for our first rounder. He will possibly be on the board for our second pick.

I understand 100% of the critiques here. He's from a spread offense. He hasn't run a huddle. He hasn't worked under center. He has off games. He's undersized...

I get it. I get it all.

This guy plays like a goddamn champion. Put aside the fact that he actually is one -- he is a locker room leader with toughness beyond his years.

We need to take him. He needs to be the QB of the future in Kansas City.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:29 PM   #46
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Watson is going way before we pick
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:35 PM   #47
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I apologize for my ignorance on this but I don't fully understand the heightened concern about footwork as it relates to a quarterback that throws an accurate ball with adequate velocity. Is it because poor footwork leads to greater replication of a bad effort? Does it mean a greater chance of injury is in player's future? I mean if it gets to the target quickly and accurately why does it matter if his footwork sucks? When I watch Rodgers he seems to have a number of times when he doesn't "look the part" from the classical 5 step drop back standpoint. Educate me and don't be an arse... Thank you!
No problem. It is important for four reasons:

1. Accuracy- You gotta get your body balanced to throw an accurate pass. Throwing mechanics are built around the core of the body. It's the same in baseball and it all starts with the feet. If you don't have balance in your legs, you won't have balance in your core and you won't be at peak accuracy. The biggest difference between college and pro football is the speed and coverage of corner backs. If you aren't accurate, you can't play in the NFL. Check out Tom Brady. He has the greatest footwork of all time.

2. Throwing Power - If you are throwing off your back foot you are losing power and accuracy. Watson tends to do this on a lot of short routes. He basically takes one step back and throws as hard as he can off his back foot when he does this. His fundamentals are really raw in this area. When he does it, it reminds me of a shortstop back handing a hard grounder in the hole and desperately trying to get the runner at first. The difference is that Desean doesn't need to rush it and shouldn't be desperate. He's not even making a read when he does this and he has more time than he thinks. In the NFL he will get burned for relying on arm strength on short passes like that.

3. Pocket Awareness - This is another big difference between college and the pros. Footwork in the pocket is imparitive to protecting the ball. It is the first fundamental in this area. If you have poor footwork, you are more likely to fumble. In the NFL, the pass rush is coming much faster than in college. Again, good footwork and a good core are everything. If you have balance when you are creamed on your blindside, you are far more likely to hold onto the ball. See Blake Bortles if you want to see a QB with bad footwork.

4. Timing - Again, the cornerbacks are the biggest difference between college and the pros. Three, four, and five step drops help the QB time the routes and allow the play to set up. They also slow the pass rush and create more time in the pocket. Watson hasn't done much of this as he plays in a spread / read option type offense. You can't make it in the pros without being able to take snaps from under center and understand the footwork fundamentals.

This is a pretty basic summary and I hope this helps.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:26 AM   #48
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I want to like Watson but all I see is an overhyped player with favourable intangibles but pedestrian ability who benefitted by playing for a strong program.

Not accurate. Not big. Decent, but not a great arm. Simplified scheme. Poor footwork.

= project
Clemson wasn't what I would call a strong program before him. They hadn't won shit in years, even their conference and were a consistent 15-25 team, not a top 10 every year.
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Old 01-19-2017, 11:59 PM   #49
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Old 01-20-2017, 12:01 AM   #50
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Clemson wasn't what I would call a strong program before him. They hadn't won shit in years, even their conference and were a consistent 15-25 team, not a top 10 every year.
No, but they were loaded with talent during his run. He feels like the poster boy for college star that does jack and shit in the NFL.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:30 PM   #51
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:02 PM   #52
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I've got a feeling that the Bills end up dealing Tyrod Taylor off to Cleveland and draft Watson.

Is he going to win in Buffalo? idk
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:10 PM   #53
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I'd give it a shot, but honestly i prefer to take a swing at mahomes in the 2nd
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:36 PM   #54
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We are just going to feel like Browns fans if we reach for a QB in this draft.

Just wait it out one year.
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:44 PM   #55
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We are just going to feel like Browns fans if we reach for a QB in this draft.

Just wait it out one year.


Yet Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's a good possibility that Webb and Peterman sneak into the second round.

If the Chiefs like Webb, Peterman or Mahomes and they're available to them when they pick, it would be foolish to pass on one of them.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:04 PM   #56
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We are just going to feel like Browns fans if we reach for a QB in this draft.

Just wait it out one year.
And FWIW, you're an even bigger butt****ing moron that I could have ever imagined if you believe the Chiefs have a chance in hell of drafting Rosen or Darnold.
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Yet Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's a good possibility that Webb and Peterman sneak into the second round.

If the Chiefs like Webb, Peterman or Mahomes and they're available to them when they pick, it would be foolish to pass on one of them.
Webb and Peterman as second rounders feeds into Clay's point, IMO.

It's an indictment on the quality of the QB class more than it is a statement as to the strength's of the respective prospects.

Those guys are not second round caliber talents, IMO.
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Those guys are not second round caliber talents, IMO.
I can't make that determination, as I haven't seen enough game footage, nor do we have any results from The Combine or Pro Days. I have the Senior Bowl on the DVR but haven't watched it yet.

But here's the deal: QB's always go higher than expected because there is a massive need for them. So beyond a few guys next year that will not fall to the Chiefs, they'll be looking to overdraft a guy in 2018 instead of 2017.

And to further that point, there's always guys that fall who end up being pretty good players. Just off the top of my head, Brees and Dalton were a 2nd, Cousins and Prescott were 4th's, Siemien a 7th and so on.

Does anyone believe that Paxton Lynch was truly a first rounder? I didn't then and don't now, but he went in the late first. He was overdrafted because the Broncos thought they had a gaping hole. As it turned out, Siemien was pretty good with a high upside. He'd be awesome in Reid's WCO, IMO.

It's time to get a guy.
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I can't make that determination, as I haven't seen enough game footage, nor do we have any results from The Combine or Pro Days. I have the Senior Bowl on the DVR but haven't watched it yet.

But here's the deal: QB's always go higher than expected because there is a massive need for them. So beyond a few guys next year that will not fall to the Chiefs, they'll be looking to overdraft a guy in 2018 instead of 2017.

And to further that point, there's always guys that fall who end up being pretty good players. Just off the top of my head, Brees and Dalton were a 2nd, Cousins and Prescott were 4th's, Siemien a 7th and so on.

Does anyone believe that Paxton Lynch was truly a first rounder? I didn't then and don't now, but he went in the late first. He was overdrafted because the Broncos thought they had a gaping hole. As it turned out, Siemien was pretty good with a high upside. He'd be awesome in Reid's WCO, IMO.

It's time to get a guy.
Right, overdrafts will always happen at QB.

But that's when you start to talk about depth of classes to determine just how egregious that overdraft will be.

I'm not of the mind that Watson is a first round talent and frankly Mahomes has enough flaws that in many years (if not most) he's not a first rounder either. How is Trubisky's resume appreciably better than Lynch's and Trubisky's considered a surefire top 10 and potential #1 overall.

This is an objectively bad quarterback class and as such, the degree of the overdraft is going to be worse this year than many other years.

Next year's top QBs are going to be a couple of legit top-end QBs, IMO, with Rosen and Darnold. Now that doesn't mean that we'll get them, but it means the quality of guy you're looking at in the teens/20s is going to be more like, I dunno, Baker Mayfield or Mason Rudolph (and I'm still beyond pissed that Rudolph returned). And your wild card isn't a potential game manager like Peterman but rather a guy like Josh Allen.

It's a rising tide thing; when there are legit franchise alterers at the top of the QB class, that trickles down to the wild-cards and their availability at the back of the first or early 2nd.

There are valid reasons to wait until next year for the QB, especially if you can engineer a winning trade-down that nets us as much as a 2nd or 3rd in the '18 draft that can be used to move up a bit if needed. I'm not convinced I'd do it, but if my options are Peterman or Webb in the 2nd this year or wait until 2018, I'd go with the 2018 option in a heartbeat.
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