Chiefs How much do you trust Dorsey/Reid to pick our next franchise QB? - Page 5

**mlyonsd** · 01-14-2013, 08:10 PM

Ok we've hashed this out before but after listening to Dorsey today I'm not so sure we'll be using the 1st pick for a QB.

In a previous Mr. Flopnuts poll the planet overwhelming decided they would only be happy if Reid picked a QB with the first pick instead of letting Reid choose his own.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268521

This poll's intent is to see if the addition of Dorsey into the equation changes the outcome. I'm going to reduce the number of options only because most of them outside of a 1st round pick are a calculated decision by management.

Public poll forthcoming.

Sorter · 01-15-2013, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

i for some scary reason expect half of *****'s picks to be turned over in year 1 that quickly. These guys are serious evaluators and Andy Reid gives zero ****s about cutting a player at any given time that he's not attached to. Their evaluation of *****'s players will be interesting, and all the competition will be Reids/Dorsey's new drafted talent versus *****'s picks and there wont be any more free gifts at positions for *****'s players to be forced into gameday line ups.

That I look forward to.

So that steamy turd Jon Baldwin better figure out how to stay up straight and beat the press and that scrub nugget Jalil Brown better learn how to turn his hips and not face guard or these bums are ****ed.

oh and Allen Bailey do a d-line move, or something. Tyson Jackson move a guy off the line. Jeff Allen, not suck shit. Learn quick.

Yup. i look forward to the bleach that awaits our roster.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2013, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Yup. i look forward to the bleach that awaits our roster.

Although cutting Baldwin, Bailey and especially Allen would be utterly ****ing ridiculous, not to mention Pioli-like, before the end of training camp.

keg in kc · 01-15-2013, 03:00 AM

None of us really have any choice but to trust them, do we.

Sure sucks being powerless, don't it.

Sorter · 01-15-2013, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Although cutting Baldwin, Bailey and especially Allen would be utterly ****ing ridiculous, not to mention *****-like, before the end of training camp.

Agree completely. I expect all 3 to remain on the roster this year. Anticipating the purge of others.

EagleRob · 01-15-2013, 04:34 AM

The not-so hidden message is if they don't think a QB is the best player available they will either trade down and add picks to pick more best players available or take the actual best player available then try to move into position to get the QB they want later. I've said this since the day Reid was hired and nothing I've seen since indicates otherwise.

EagleRob · 01-15-2013, 05:02 AM

Here's a realistic scenario we've all seen over and over about how they shouldn't just reach to "take Geno at #1". Lets say after three months of staff building, roster needs evaluations, college talent evaluations, free agent signings, and intelligence gathering on other teams they still need a QB and think Geno (or whatever QB they think fits best) will be available at 7th overall after other teams fight it out for the stud OTs and DTs ranked higher than the QBs. According to the attached chart they could flip the #1 overall (3000 points) for say the #7 overall (1500), that team's 2nd round pick (510), and that team's first-rounder from the 2014 draft (median 1000 points). Disclaimer: I don't know who's at seven and what their needs are - this is just an example. They could find some other trade partner to do something similar.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

EagleRob · 01-15-2013, 05:08 AM

Last time I brought this up someone said the Chiefs shouldn't be "cute" and should just take Geno at #1. Fine but that's playing the game scared and sacrificing value in the draft. In order to pull this off they need to have Plan B in place, be that another QB projected for that slot that fits or be willing to keep shopping. I think a building team needs as many high picks as they can get. Look at what the Rams took from Washington for a player who's career is already in jeopardy. STL has the Redskins first round picks this coming year and next year while RG3 might not take another snap until those picks are both off the board.

Jerm · 01-15-2013, 05:13 AM

I think they go QB at #1 because quite honestly there is no other option....

No one is trading up for that pick and there isn't a player of need that's there to pick above QB.

You aren't taking Jones or Star after taking Poe high last year...Moore? Get the hell outta here.

The only guy they could even contemplate is Joeckel and there is no way they can sell him to the fanbase over a franchise QB, which is exactly what Geno Smith is IMO.

Gravedigger · 01-15-2013, 05:44 AM

Nobody trades out if the one spot anymore. Well pick someone there.

CoMoChief · 01-15-2013, 06:23 AM

GENO SMITH
GENO SMITH
GENO SMITH
GENO SMITH!!!!!!!

/cp

ChiefMojo · 01-15-2013, 06:28 AM

I'm in the boat if you deem someone to be a franchise QB in this draft, you take him with the #1 pick! I don't care if he is graded out to be more of a mid-first rounder... take the best QB in the draft and roll with it!

scho63 · 01-15-2013, 07:40 AM

This is simple:

THEY KNOW 100X MORE ABOUT EVALUATING AND SELECTING TALENT THAN ANY SINGLE POSTER ON THIS BOARD!

Case closed.

ArrowheadMagic · 01-15-2013, 07:49 AM

With 2 people coming from franchises that understand the value of a top QB, I find it hard to believe they wont turn over every rock to upgrade that position. Its not like they are going to show their draft plans before the evaluation process even begins. Evaluate roster, then evaluate prospects.

scho63 · 01-15-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

With 2 people coming from franchises that understand the value of a top QB, I find it hard to believe they wont turn over every rock to upgrade that position. Its not like they are going to show their draft plans before the evaluation process even begins. Evaluate roster, then evaluate prospects.

Agree

Kendall Gammon yesterday said "Turn over every sperm" in a slip of the tongue during the presser at the 3:15 mark

munkey · 01-15-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

I think they go QB at #1 because quite honestly there is no other option....

No one is trading up for that pick and there isn't a player of need that's there to pick above QB.

You aren't taking Jones or Star after taking Poe high last year...Moore? Get the hell outta here.

The only guy they could even contemplate is Joeckel and there is no way they can sell him to the fanbase over a franchise QB, which is exactly what Geno Smith is IMO.

Geno hasn't played a single down in the NFL and yet he's crowned a franchise QB? Whatever you Genobators are smoking I want some!!!! If Dorsey and Reid follow their strategy of which they've clearly stated is the best available athlete they won't be taking Geno @ #1.

AND last years 1st round pick was Pioli's ultimate down fall...and since he's not picking this year I'm not worried what's so ever.

View Poll Results: Do you trust Dorsey/Reid to pick the best QB without using the 1st pick in the draft?
Pick a QB with the first pick or Dorsey/Reid are more of the same	51	34.46%
I'll trust Dorsey/Reid to pick a QB without using the 1st pick	90	60.81%
I don't have a life therefore no opinion	7	4.73%
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01-14-2013, 08:10 PM
mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $1723762	How much do you trust Dorsey/Reid to pick our next franchise QB? Ok we've hashed this out before but after listening to Dorsey today I'm not so sure we'll be using the 1st pick for a QB. In a previous Mr. Flopnuts poll the planet overwhelming decided they would only be happy if Reid picked a QB with the first pick instead of letting Reid choose his own. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268521 This poll's intent is to see if the addition of Dorsey into the equation changes the outcome. I'm going to reduce the number of options only because most of them outside of a 1st round pick are a calculated decision by management. Public poll forthcoming.
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01-15-2013, 03:00 AM	#63
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01-15-2013, 04:34 AM	#65
EagleRob Living Vicariously Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Casino cash: $10004900	The not-so hidden message is if they don't think a QB is the best player available they will either trade down and add picks to pick more best players available or take the actual best player available then try to move into position to get the QB they want later. I've said this since the day Reid was hired and nothing I've seen since indicates otherwise. __________________ Enjoy the ride up!
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01-15-2013, 05:02 AM	#66
EagleRob Living Vicariously Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Casino cash: $10004900	Here's a realistic scenario we've all seen over and over about how they shouldn't just reach to "take Geno at #1". Lets say after three months of staff building, roster needs evaluations, college talent evaluations, free agent signings, and intelligence gathering on other teams they still need a QB and think Geno (or whatever QB they think fits best) will be available at 7th overall after other teams fight it out for the stud OTs and DTs ranked higher than the QBs. According to the attached chart they could flip the #1 overall (3000 points) for say the #7 overall (1500), that team's 2nd round pick (510), and that team's first-rounder from the 2014 draft (median 1000 points). Disclaimer: I don't know who's at seven and what their needs are - this is just an example. They could find some other trade partner to do something similar. http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php __________________ Enjoy the ride up!
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01-15-2013, 05:08 AM	#67
EagleRob Living Vicariously Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Casino cash: $10004900	Last time I brought this up someone said the Chiefs shouldn't be "cute" and should just take Geno at #1. Fine but that's playing the game scared and sacrificing value in the draft. In order to pull this off they need to have Plan B in place, be that another QB projected for that slot that fits or be willing to keep shopping. I think a building team needs as many high picks as they can get. Look at what the Rams took from Washington for a player who's career is already in jeopardy. STL has the Redskins first round picks this coming year and next year while RG3 might not take another snap until those picks are both off the board. __________________ Enjoy the ride up!
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01-15-2013, 05:13 AM	#68
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $5888996	I think they go QB at #1 because quite honestly there is no other option.... No one is trading up for that pick and there isn't a player of need that's there to pick above QB. You aren't taking Jones or Star after taking Poe high last year...Moore? Get the hell outta here. The only guy they could even contemplate is Joeckel and there is no way they can sell him to the fanbase over a franchise QB, which is exactly what Geno Smith is IMO.
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01-15-2013, 05:44 AM	#69
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01-15-2013, 06:23 AM	#70
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01-15-2013, 06:28 AM	#71
ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	I'm in the boat if you deem someone to be a franchise QB in this draft, you take him with the #1 pick! I don't care if he is graded out to be more of a mid-first rounder... take the best QB in the draft and roll with it!
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01-15-2013, 07:40 AM	#72
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $2821110	This is simple: THEY KNOW 100X MORE ABOUT EVALUATING AND SELECTING TALENT THAN ANY SINGLE POSTER ON THIS BOARD! Case closed. __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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01-15-2013, 07:49 AM	#73
ArrowheadMagic Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OPKS Casino cash: $8203465	With 2 people coming from franchises that understand the value of a top QB, I find it hard to believe they wont turn over every rock to upgrade that position. Its not like they are going to show their draft plans before the evaluation process even begins. Evaluate roster, then evaluate prospects.
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