Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

**The Franchise** · 08-09-2014, 05:00 PM

**** off, Alex.

**New World Order** · 08-09-2014, 05:01 PM

Herpes this was already posted

**TimBone** · 08-09-2014, 05:01 PM

So, he wants a deal that the Chiefs can't get out of if he sucks.

He's gonna have to kick rocks.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:02 PM

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It's a very different situation for me.

No shit, Alex.

You've been in the league for 9 years and have shown you can't be consistent and still have rookie shit your pants moments.

1 playoff win and he's looking for security... **** right off.

**TimBone** · 08-09-2014, 05:04 PM

Oh god damn it. I didn't even notice this was a Knowmo thread.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 05:11 PM

If he wants job security, he can take less money.

We're not giving him an Aaron Rodgers contract.

htismaqe · 08-09-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

If he wants job security, he can take less money.

We're not giving him an Aaron Rodgers contract.

Honestly, I think he might be saying exactly that (that he'll take less money).

Quote:

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Sounds to me like he's saying "those guys haven't gotten paid like I have because I was under the old system. I'd rather have a long-term deal worth less money than what they got."

**Bowser** · 08-09-2014, 05:15 PM

4/70, 30 guaranteed. Take it or leave it.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-09-2014, 05:17 PM

Whatever. Just play. Earn it. Have fun playing on the tag next year.

Sassy Squatch · 08-09-2014, 05:19 PM

Yeah, no. With his agent that isn't going to happen.

ChiliConCarnage · 08-09-2014, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Honestly, I think he might be saying exactly that (that he'll take less money).

Sounds to me like he's saying "those guys haven't gotten paid like I have because I was under the old system. I'd rather have a long-term deal worth less money than what they got."

I think he's saying those guys weren't going to make jackshit in 2014 under their rookie deals so the team had more leverage to get them to take a weaker contract. Alex has a ton of money and is set to make 9 million (?) this season so he's in a better position to take the risk of playing out this season.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:27 PM

I think Alex thinks he provides the Chiefs with a better chance to win than Kaepernick does for SF and Dalton does for Cincy. I think he believes he's proven that he deserves to be one of the top paid QB's in the league and his agent is going to get him as much money as possible.

Hopefully Dorsey is smart enough to not put his GM career on the line for a guy like Alex Smith.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:28 PM

This is the contract negotiation version of "I graded out perfectly".

Mr. Laz · 08-09-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

**** off, Alex.

like you wouldn't of said that no matter what

08-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $4128675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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