Chiefs A few things to clear up.

Direckshun · 03-29-2015, 01:30 AM

The Chiefs are a really, really good team with a few weaknesses, and a non-elite quarterback.

I have no idea why that's such a hard notion to grasp.

We have some folks (not on ChiefsPlanet) who are committed to the idea that the Chiefs are a couple pieces away from Super Bowl contention. That's a really difficult idea to swallow, because unless the Alex Smith of the Colts playoffs game emerges, this team doesn't have the quarterback to win the Super Bowl.

We have other folks (approximately 75% of ChiefsPlanet) who are similarly committed to the idea that the entire team is ass, an opinion fueled by hatred of Alex Smith's limitations more than it is by fact.

This Chiefs team has a couple holes, right? At WR and ILB and OL and so on.

With the exception of MAYBE two teams in the NFL, MAYBE, so does every other team in the NFL. In a parity driven league, you simply can't plug all holes unless your GM is simply better than everybody else (Schneider in Seattle, Belichek in New England). And even that is difficult to swallow -- Ozzie Newsome and Ted Thompson are the two of the top five GMs in the NFL and Baltimore and Green Bay have at LEAST as many roster holes as the Chiefs do. (Green Bay is riddled with them.) They've just been able to win Super Bowls by overcoming those holes, not by plugging all of them.

That said, the Chiefs have a Top 10 defense that is returning in its entirety in 2015. DJ and DeVito will be back, Ford and Gaines will have had another year, and Clark Hunt has personally said the Chiefs want Houston to be a Chief for his whole career. The entire secondary, the #2 secondary in the NFL last year, will be back. The entire passrush, a Top 5 passrush in the NFL, will be back. All our Pro Bowlers will be back. Plus we have 10 draft picks.

The Chiefs have serious holes, still, on the OL and WR corps, and hopefully address it in the draft. Travis Kelce was a de facto rookie last year. De'Anthony Thomas was a rookie last year. Albert Wilson was a rookie that only played for a month. Fulton and Fisher were rookies at their position last year. We benched one of our best-ish lineman in Stephenson and lost Allen to injury. Both will return. Our #1 WR right now actually fits the offense. PLUS WE HAVE 10 DRAFT PICKS.

Alex Smith is a weight on this team so long as he plays like Regular Season Alex Smith. The team can succeed with that Alex Smith, however, because they went 9-7 last year against the league's toughest schedule. This year, the ONLY THING the Chiefs have lost is Rodney Hudson. Everywhere else, we're better. And our schedule will be easier.

Plus... we have 10 draft picks. Four of them in the top 100.

So count me amongst the realists. I'm not printing Super Bowl tickets nor am I a fatalist fueled by the Smith-hate.

I will say, if somehow, the Alex Smith that has balled out of his mind in all three playoff games he's played somehow emerges and manages to stick around, I could be seriously swayed towards believing that Anything Is Possible in 2015.

I just doubt it. But that probably means the Chiefs are still "merely" going to be a very dangerous, talented team in 2015.

Chiefspants · 03-29-2015, 02:09 AM

Alex Smith sucks

RobBlake · 03-29-2015, 02:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUtc7wiR5w

^ that Alex smith doesn't suck. Anyone who has watched football and is an avg. IQ level human being can understand the concept that Alex can play above average ball.

**TribalElder** · 03-29-2015, 02:30 AM

We will win the Super Bowl this year

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-29-2015, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

We will win the Super Bowl this year

I didn't know we're Packers

eDave · 03-29-2015, 03:03 AM

Line, line, line!

Give the the dude some time, and time for Maclin to separate (and his second read as well), and things will be hunky dory. There's always Kelce and Charles.

Defense is good.

As always, we'll get em this year.

Eleazar · 03-29-2015, 05:15 AM

**RealSNR** · 03-29-2015, 06:06 AM

Green Bay is riddled with roster holes?

milkman · 03-29-2015, 06:57 AM

Alex Smith did not play great in all 3 playoff games he has played in.

In the Colts game he was outstanding in the first half, and better than some have painted in the second half.

As a 9er against the Saints, he was mediocre through much of the game, but put on his big boy pants to outduel Drew Brees in the final minutes.

Against the Giants he was complete ass, and was every bit as responsible for that loss as was the returner who muffed the 2 punts.

That said, Alex Smith can win you a SB if you provide him with protection, outstanding support in the run game, and the proper weapons.

We clearly have the run, and with Maclin and Kelce, along with Charles, we have enough weapons, even if we don't add another.

What this offense needs most is, despite the ridiculous arguments otherwise (I'm looking at you SNR) is better, more consistent protecction.

milkman · 03-29-2015, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Green Bay is riddled with roster holes?

They lack a consistent pass rush outside of Matthews, and their LB corp, again, outside of Matthews, whom they have moved to the middle for many of the non passing downs, is northing short of mediocre.

**RealSNR** · 03-29-2015, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

They lack a consistent pass rush outside of Matthews, and their LB corp, again, outside of Matthews, whom they have moved to the middle for many of the non passing downs, is northing short of mediocre.

How is that any different from KC lacking a starting ILB, question marks on the right side of the OL, and depth problems at TE, S, ILB, and NT?

Not to mention our QB, who is REALLY nothing short of mediocre?

**cabletech94** · 03-29-2015, 07:41 AM

I remember when we had matt castle. he locked on one receiver, and never turned his head.
I hated that.
gooooooooooo chuefs!!!!!

milkman · 03-29-2015, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

How is that any different from KC lacking a starting ILB, question marks on the right side of the OL, and depth problems at TE, S, ILB, and NT?

Not to mention our QB, who is REALLY nothing short of mediocre?

You seemed to dismiss the idea that the Packers are riddled with holes.

They do have a number of holes.
Not as many as the Chiefs, but enough that they can be described as "riddled".

**Easy 6** · 03-29-2015, 07:52 AM

I haven't been this certain of a playoff win, maybe two, since the 90's.

That's where I'm at, yep... even with Alex Smith at QB... this team now not only has talent at most every level, but by the end of the draft it should also have great depth.

**TinyEvel** · 03-29-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What this offense needs most is, despite the ridiculous arguments otherwise (I'm looking at you SNR) is better, more consistent protecction.

THIS.

Alex doesn't really throw to covered receivers. So, yeah, protection. Plus, receivers who can get separation.

03-29-2015, 01:30 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	A few things to clear up. The Chiefs are a really, really good team with a few weaknesses, and a non-elite quarterback. I have no idea why that's such a hard notion to grasp. We have some folks (not on ChiefsPlanet) who are committed to the idea that the Chiefs are a couple pieces away from Super Bowl contention. That's a really difficult idea to swallow, because unless the Alex Smith of the Colts playoffs game emerges, this team doesn't have the quarterback to win the Super Bowl. We have other folks (approximately 75% of ChiefsPlanet) who are similarly committed to the idea that the entire team is ass, an opinion fueled by hatred of Alex Smith's limitations more than it is by fact. This Chiefs team has a couple holes, right? At WR and ILB and OL and so on. With the exception of MAYBE two teams in the NFL, MAYBE, so does every other team in the NFL. In a parity driven league, you simply can't plug all holes unless your GM is simply better than everybody else (Schneider in Seattle, Belichek in New England). And even that is difficult to swallow -- Ozzie Newsome and Ted Thompson are the two of the top five GMs in the NFL and Baltimore and Green Bay have at LEAST as many roster holes as the Chiefs do. (Green Bay is riddled with them.) They've just been able to win Super Bowls by overcoming those holes, not by plugging all of them. That said, the Chiefs have a Top 10 defense that is returning in its entirety in 2015. DJ and DeVito will be back, Ford and Gaines will have had another year, and Clark Hunt has personally said the Chiefs want Houston to be a Chief for his whole career. The entire secondary, the #2 secondary in the NFL last year, will be back. The entire passrush, a Top 5 passrush in the NFL, will be back. All our Pro Bowlers will be back. Plus we have 10 draft picks. The Chiefs have serious holes, still, on the OL and WR corps, and hopefully address it in the draft. Travis Kelce was a de facto rookie last year. De'Anthony Thomas was a rookie last year. Albert Wilson was a rookie that only played for a month. Fulton and Fisher were rookies at their position last year. We benched one of our best-ish lineman in Stephenson and lost Allen to injury. Both will return. Our #1 WR right now actually fits the offense. PLUS WE HAVE 10 DRAFT PICKS. Alex Smith is a weight on this team so long as he plays like Regular Season Alex Smith. The team can succeed with that Alex Smith, however, because they went 9-7 last year against the league's toughest schedule. This year, the ONLY THING the Chiefs have lost is Rodney Hudson. Everywhere else, we're better. And our schedule will be easier. Plus... we have 10 draft picks. Four of them in the top 100. So count me amongst the realists. I'm not printing Super Bowl tickets nor am I a fatalist fueled by the Smith-hate. I will say, if somehow, the Alex Smith that has balled out of his mind in all three playoff games he's played somehow emerges and manages to stick around, I could be seriously swayed towards believing that Anything Is Possible in 2015. I just doubt it. But that probably means the Chiefs are still "merely" going to be a very dangerous, talented team in 2015.
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RobBlake Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $10011127	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUtc7wiR5w ^ that Alex smith doesn't suck. Anyone who has watched football and is an avg. IQ level human being can understand the concept that Alex can play above average ball.
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eDave Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $9998560	Line, line, line! Give the the dude some time, and time for Maclin to separate (and his second read as well), and things will be hunky dory. There's always Kelce and Charles. Defense is good. As always, we'll get em this year.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Alex Smith did not play great in all 3 playoff games he has played in. In the Colts game he was outstanding in the first half, and better than some have painted in the second half. As a 9er against the Saints, he was mediocre through much of the game, but put on his big boy pants to outduel Drew Brees in the final minutes. Against the Giants he was complete ass, and was every bit as responsible for that loss as was the returner who muffed the 2 punts. That said, Alex Smith can win you a SB if you provide him with protection, outstanding support in the run game, and the proper weapons. We clearly have the run, and with Maclin and Kelce, along with Charles, we have enough weapons, even if we don't add another. What this offense needs most is, despite the ridiculous arguments otherwise (I'm looking at you SNR) is better, more consistent protecction. __________________
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