Owner of Smokin' Joe's in Olathe spends 7k on customer's credit card

[Hammock Parties]

what the deuce

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...206166859.html

Olathe barbecue owner spent $7,355 on customer's card left at restaurant:

An Olathe barbecue restaurant owner allegedly racked up $7,355 in charges on a credit card left at the business by a customer.

Newly released court documents outline the case against Matthew R. Sander, owner of the long-time Olathe eating establishment Smokin' Joe's Bar-B-Q.

Sander was charged last week with seven counts of identity theft, six counts of misdemeanor theft, and single counts of felony theft and criminal use of a financial card.

A customer told Olathe police that he had dined at the restaurant on Santa Fe Street on Jan. 28, and the next day he could not find his card.

The last place he had used it was Smokin' Joe's. He called the restaurant and was told by employees they could not find the card. He canceled it the next day.

But when he looked at his credit card statement, he found a number of unauthorized purchases from Jan. 28.

Those included $859 spent at a liquor store; $2,134 at Bed Bath & Beyond; $1,575 at Kohl's; $936 at Academy Sports; $999 at The Home Depot; and $322 at Garozzo's restaurant.

Olathe detectives followed up with the businesses and obtained surveillance video that allowed them to identify Sander, according to the court documents.

During some of the transactions, he was allegedly wearing a sweater with a Smokin' Joe's logo on it.

Police arrested Sander at his Overland Park home on March 10.

He declined to give police a statement.


The case is the third time since December that Sander has been charged in Johnson County with similar crimes.

On March 2, Sander was charged with identity theft, criminal use of a financial card and theft.

Those charges stem from alleged crimes in Overland Park on Jan. 25 and involved a different victim than the one named in Monday's allegations.

In December, he was charged with one count of felony theft involving the alleged theft of merchandise from a Sam's Club store in Overland Park.

Sander was also charged last year with driving while intoxicated, according to Platte County Circuit Court records.

He pleaded guilty in January and was fined $500, according to the court records.

Sander is due back in court April 11 on the new case.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Nixhex

All the places he used the card at for purchases that large should have some sort of punishment levied against them as well for not asking for ID. They will use the fake bill pen when you give them a $20 but not ask for ID on at $2,134 credit card purchase? I know for sure if I owned one of those places the employee who accepted the payment would be in hot water.

If it was one of those chip reader deals it won't even ask for a pin sometimes. ****ing dumb. Just insert, take out, and go.

[Dayze]

"lemme show you how I tenderize a pork butt".

/ new Cell Mate

[Nixhex]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

If it was one of those chip reader deals it won't even ask for a pin sometimes. ****ing dumb. Just insert, take out, and go.

Right. The credit card companies are so ****ing rich they don't even care about all the fraud loss as they are the ones who usually end up paying for it. The merchants rarely have to pay. Hence the reason they don't give a **** and will let anyone walk in with a credit card and buy up the whole store without checking their identity.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Nixhex

All the places he used the card at for purchases that large should have some sort of punishment levied against them as well for not asking for ID. They will use the fake bill pen when you give them a $20 but not ask for ID on at $2,134 credit card purchase? I know for sure if I owned one of those places the employee who accepted the payment would be in hot water.

Businesses are not responsible for fraud on the card. Its all on the card issuer. They dont ask for ID and or confiscate cards anymore.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by Nixhex

All the places he used the card at for purchases that large should have some sort of punishment levied against them as well for not asking for ID. They will use the fake bill pen when you give them a $20 but not ask for ID on at $2,134 credit card purchase? I know for sure if I owned one of those places the employee who accepted the payment would be in hot water.

Why would the employee be in hot water? If the card was inserted, the liability is 100% on the credit card company. The employees most likely did everything right.

[KCUnited]

That's a mixed plate of different purchases.

[Nixhex]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Why would the employee be in hot water? If the card was inserted, the liability is 100% on the credit card company. The employees most likely did everything right.

While the liability is true it puts off a really bad look to your customer base. It comes of as greedy and that all you want to do is make a sale. It's like who gives a **** if we are allowing someone to be defrauded when all we had to do was ask to see their ID? I realize fake ID's are out there and you can't do much about that.

Let me ask you this. Would you be happy with your bank if they allowed someone who obtained your account number somehow to just withdraw all the money in your account without even checking ID? Of course you would be pissed off. Sure the bank will pay you back but wouldn't want to close your account there for that type of negligence? Why would you not feel the same way about a merchant allowing two thousand dollar purchases on a credit card without checking ID?

[BWillie]

Why on Earth would someone do this? I don't get people. Did you think nobody would find out? And you do it to one of your paying customers no less...what a scumbag

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Why on Earth would someone do this? I don't get people. Did you think nobody would find out? And you do it to one of your paying customers no less...what a scumbag

He's done it before, as well.

[Dayze]

I imagine when they went to arrest him, he denied it. Until being informed he was wearing a shirt with his own logo on it.

[ChiliConCarnage]

It seems he's on a real downward spiral. Can't they expedite one of his court dates up to get him off the streets?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Dayze

"lemme show you how I tenderize a pork butt".

/ new Cell Mate

His asshole will be smoking a lot of sausage in the clink.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Nixhex

While the liability is true it puts off a really bad look to your customer base. It comes of as greedy and that all you want to do is make a sale. It's like who gives a **** if we are allowing someone to be defrauded when all we had to do was ask to see their ID? I realize fake ID's are out there and you can't do much about that.

Let me ask you this. Would you be happy with your bank if they allowed someone who obtained your account number somehow to just withdraw all the money in your account without even checking ID? Of course you would be pissed off. Sure the bank will pay you back but wouldn't want to close your account there for that type of negligence? Why would you not feel the same way about a merchant allowing two thousand dollar purchases on a credit card without checking ID?

It comes off to me like a dumb cashier who might still be in high school, and who knows if they were properly trained... and with no context, either. Maybe they did ask for ID and he was able to talk them out of it (oh, uh, it's in my car... guess I could run out. Oh, it's fine).

If it happened to me at a bank, I'd probably ask questions before assuming anything.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by Nixhex

While the liability is true it puts off a really bad look to your customer base. It comes of as greedy and that all you want to do is make a sale. It's like who gives a **** if we are allowing someone to be defrauded when all we had to do was ask to see their ID? I realize fake ID's are out there and you can't do much about that.

Let me ask you this. Would you be happy with your bank if they allowed someone who obtained your account number somehow to just withdraw all the money in your account without even checking ID? Of course you would be pissed off. Sure the bank will pay you back but wouldn't want to close your account there for that type of negligence? Why would you not feel the same way about a merchant allowing two thousand dollar purchases on a credit card without checking ID?

That’s not a fair comparison at all. If a charge on my credit card goes through that I didn’t make, I can immediately dispute it and not be out any spending power. If someone does that to my bank account, I am at least temporarily without that money.

And while the retailer has the right to ask for an ID, the agreements with Visa and MasterCard prohibit them from denying the card if the purchaser refuses to show one.

[Nixhex]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

That’s not a fair comparison at all. If a charge on my credit card goes through that I didn’t make, I can immediately dispute it and not be out any spending power. If someone does that to my bank account, I am at least temporarily without that money.

And while the retailer has the right to ask for an ID, the agreements with Visa and MasterCard prohibit them from denying the card if the purchaser refuses to show one.

I don't know about you but the card attached to my checking account can be used as credit or debit. So the comparison is pretty fair.

That is interesting about the Visa and MasterCard agreements. I wasn't aware of that. The income from interchange, fees and interest obviously greatly outweighs their fraud losses.