Chiefs Anybody still think Haley shouldn't have been fired? - Page 14

King_Chief_Fan · 11-13-2012, 07:19 AM

I say he should have and am glad he is gone.

There he was front and center, the new OC of the Steelers playing Monday night to a national audience and his chance to bury the team that fired him for being the hack that he his. That is the best he could do against a 1-8 team? Those little passes sideways sure reminded me of the good ol days of him in KC. He didn't fool the Chiefs once with that lunacy.

A very poor effort indeed guiding an offense against the worst team in the NFL. His scheme to protect the QB didn't work out to well.

Sorter · 11-13-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How much of that was Whisenhunt and how much of that was Haley?

It's pretty clear to me that Tony Sparano and Todd Haley had success in Dallas due to ONE reason:

Sean Payton.

Both of those guys haven't done dick since moving on from the Cowboys. After seeing Haley's play calling with the Chiefs and now Pittsburgh, I'm pretty sure he was another in the long line Peter Principle'd coaches, if not outright and pure nepotism.

Again, that is a variable to consider. I am under the impression Haley was in charge of playcalls for AZ that year. I have no idea as to the influence or control Wiz had that year. I do know that they both incorporate similar philosophies. However, it very well could be that Haley was just PP'd.

All I'm trying to really say Dane, is that it is hard to make a complete evaluation on Todd due to his circumstances here without knowing entirely what he had control over. There are several things he did that were laughable. There were also things that I did appreciate.

Personally, the things that I know he had control over that he ****ed up are in larger quantity than the things he did exceptionally well here. However, it is entirely possible he could have done more things better with a more encouraging GM.

Brock · 11-13-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I can't accurately judge anything under Pioli. I don't know how anyone could do their job adequately with that ****stick around.

We thought last seasons OL was shit until Orton was under center.

You might have thought that.

Sorter · 11-13-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, it is not.

Occam's Razor.

If Tampa Bay can put up 38 points, why can't Todd Haley? The guy that knows every strength and weakness of the Chiefs defense, like no other person on the planet?

Let's not forget that Byron Leftwich has won a ton of games in the NFL. He wasn't exactly Tyler Palko out there. And even so, the playcalling didn't change from Ben to Leftwich.

Byron Leftwich is garbage. Come on.

I acknowledged that Todd did a poor job on MNF. That doesn't mean he is entirely horrible.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Again, that is a variable to consider. I am under the impression Haley was in charge of playcalls for AZ that year. I have no idea as to the influence or control Wiz had that year. I do know that they both incorporate similar philosophies. However, it very well could be that Haley was just PP'd.

All I'm trying to really say Dane, is that it is hard to make a complete evaluation on Todd due to his circumstances here without knowing entirely what he had control over. There are several things he did that were laughable. There were also things that I did appreciate.

Personally, the things that I know he had control over that he ****ed up are in larger quantity than the things he did exceptionally well here. However, it is entirely possible he could have done more things better with a more encouraging GM.

He was a complete cluster**** of a **** in 2009.

He was forced to hire Romeo, Weis and Zorn in 2010 and his team improved dramatically.

Weis left and in 2011, he was back to being a ****, who was later fired with cause.

I just look at the facts. There have been countless coaches throughout NFL history that have clashed with their GM and his personnel decisions, yet went on to win and win consistently during the regular season and playoffs (some, even Super Bowls).

Todd Haley is not NFL head coaching material. He may be a decent OC on his own but he's facing his biggest challenge yet:

The Pittsburgh Steelers without Ben Rothlisberger.

Let's see how well he does with Batch and Leftwich, two guys that Bruce Arians was able to win with, before crowning his ass.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Byron Leftwich is garbage. Come on.

I acknowledged that Todd did a poor job on MNF. That doesn't mean he is entirely horrible.

It doesn't mean that he's anything special, either, which what some Chiefs fans want to believe.

Hindsight is 50/50.

Sorter · 11-13-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He was a complete cluster**** of a **** in 2009.

He was forced to hire Romeo, Weis and Zorn in 2010 and his team improved dramatically.

Weis left and in 2011, he was back to being a ****, who was later fired with cause.

I just look at the facts. There have been countless coaches throughout NFL history that have clashed with their GM and his personnel decisions, yet went on to win and win consistently during the regular season and playoffs (some, even Super Bowls).

Todd Haley is not NFL head coaching material. He may be a decent OC on his own but he's facing his biggest challenge yet:

The Pittsburgh Steelers without Ben Rothlisberger.

Let's see how well he does with Batch and Leftwich, two guys that Bruce Arians was able to win with, before crowning his ass.

You know I'm not "crowning his ass". I think that this situation will be a good chance to evaluate Todd.

The rest of your post I agree with and you know that through my previous posts.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-13-2012, 10:24 PM

love watching the Haley haters get their panties in a bunch.

I liked Todd and think things could have been different under better management.

I'm done here. He's not with the Chiefs anymore and I couldn't give a shit less.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

You know I'm not "crowning his ass". I think that this situation will be a good chance to evaluate Todd.

I wasn't referring to you with this statement, just people in this thread.

Apologies.

Sorter · 11-13-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It doesn't mean that he's anything special, either, which what some Chiefs fans want to believe.

Hindsight is 50/50.

I hope you aren't lumping me in with that group. He could be special but for me, it is hard to make a finite determination based on his tenure here, given the circumstances.

That said, if I were a GM, I would likely pass on Todd at the moment.

Sorter · 11-13-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I wasn't referring to you with this statement, just people in this thread.

Apologies.

Missed this post.

Enjoy some of da Boxxy

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

love watching the Haley haters get their panties in a bunch.

I liked Todd and think things could have been different under better management.

I'm done here. He's not with the Chiefs anymore and I couldn't give a shit less.

What could you have possibly liked about Todd Haley?

He had the personality of a ****ing goat turd. His teams sucked ass on the field. He was a ****ing dick to his players and coaches.

Please explain.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-13-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What could you have possibly liked about Todd Haley?

He had the personality of a ****ing goat turd. His teams sucked ass on the field. He was a ****ing dick to his players and coaches.

Please explain.

Seeing as I was in Ohio during his time and not a member of the Chiefs, I don't have the first damn clue.

Seems like his ex players liked him. Breaston signed with the Chiefs because of him.

Anyway, that's all. I no longer care enough about Todd to continue discussing this.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-13-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Seeing as I was in Ohio during his time and not a member of the Chiefs, I don't have the first damn clue.

Seems like his ex players liked him. Breaston signed with the Chiefs because of him.

Anyway, that's all. I no longer care enough about Todd to continue discussing this.

Breaston signed with the Chiefs because they were the only team to give him $5 million up front and $5 million per year.

That's worked out well, considering he was deactivated last night.

Titty Meat · 11-13-2012, 10:35 PM

Todd did a great job coaching his team against his Jets last year didnt he?

lcarus · 11-13-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's worked out well, considering he was deactivated last night.

Yeah but his moral support was AMAZING

11-13-2012, 07:19 AM
King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $5915486	Anybody still think Haley shouldn't have been fired? I say he should have and am glad he is gone. There he was front and center, the new OC of the Steelers playing Monday night to a national audience and his chance to bury the team that fired him for being the hack that he his. That is the best he could do against a 1-8 team? Those little passes sideways sure reminded me of the good ol days of him in KC. He didn't fool the Chiefs once with that lunacy. A very poor effort indeed guiding an offense against the worst team in the NFL. His scheme to protect the QB didn't work out to well.
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BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	love watching the Haley haters get their panties in a bunch. I liked Todd and think things could have been different under better management. I'm done here. He's not with the Chiefs anymore and I couldn't give a shit less.
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11-13-2012, 10:35 PM	#209
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $2367558	Todd did a great job coaching his team against his Jets last year didnt he?
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