What is your stance on aliens?

[mr. tegu]

I am curious to see where everyone stands on this. Asking about a stance on UFOs could be a different topic with different options so feel to give your thoughts on that as well.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

I saw something I can't explain and showed it to several experts in fields of study that might have had some clue...and nada

Ok. Tell the story.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Mini-DV? We used those back in HS. We used Mac products and it was pretty simple. Just connect a "Firewire" to the device and hit export.

Don't own the device anymore - I think it went in the trash many years ago - but you see the flak I'm getting already - I'm not going there - I let it go long ago - but it is fun discussion

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

What does your police training tell you about the reliability of eyewitness testimony?

When the eyewitness is a recording camera? Invaluable.

[SeeingRed]

Originally Posted by Fish

What things have no explanation other than alien intervention?

Well id say there are a lot of things that are unexplained to say the least. If you can explain to me logically how the pyramids were built 5000 years ago with no machines I'm all ears...that is probably the simplest example of dozens. There are ancient structures with precisions cuts that could only be made by the most advanced machinery we use today.....thousands of years ago. How high in the mountains is Machu Picchu again? Pretty damn high to be building with stones that size that weren't from that location etc... ....ancient compass watches with advanced astrological detail from thousands of years ago...ancient maps found frozen showing precise advanced details of all 7 continents from hundreds of years ago, a time long before Antartica was even discovered....lots of speculation that the idea of the computer chip was found in Roswell etc...on and on. Pieces of technology "left behind" far beyond the days & times they were found in. Lets just say assistance from more advanced beings would make a lot more sense than people 5000 years ago doing such things. You could pick out dozens of things and debate for hours and still come to the conclusion being "unknown"

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

When the eyewitness is a recording camera? Invaluable.

Dude, you can't have it both ways. You say you have a video, but you seem awfully reluctant to produce said video. So now we are back to eyewitness testimony only, which has been proven time and time again to be practically worthless.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Well id say there are a lot of things that are unexplained to say the least. If you can explain to me logically how the pyramids were built 5000 years ago with no machines I'm all ears...that is probably the simplest example of dozens. There are ancient structures with precisions cuts that could only be made by the most advanced machinery we use today.....thousands of years ago. How high in the mountains is Machu Picchu again? Pretty damn high to be building with stones that size that weren't from that location etc... lets just say assistance from more advanced beings would make a lot more sense than people 5000 years ago doing such things. Pieces of technology "left behind" far beyond that times they were found in......lots of speculation that the idea of the computer chip was found in Roswell etc...on and on. You could pick out dozens of things and debate for hours and still come to the conclusion being "unknown"

No, it was aliens I tell ya, it was aliens!

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Don't own the device anymore - I think it went in the trash many years ago - but you see the flak I'm getting already - I'm not going there - I let it go long ago - but it is fun discussion

Who cares what others saying. Im legitimately curious to what you saw. Please, share the story. At the very least, PM me.

BTW, i can get the footage off the Mini-DV for you.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Well id say there are a lot of things that are unexplained to say the least. If you can explain to me logically how the pyramids were built 5000 years ago with no machines I'm all ears...that is probably the simplest example of dozens. There are ancient structures with precisions cuts that could only be made by the most advanced machinery we use today.....thousands of years ago. How high in the mountains is Machu Picchu again? Pretty damn high to be building with stones that size that weren't from that location etc... lets just say assistance from more advanced beings would make a lot more sense than people 5000 years ago doing such things. Pieces of technology "left behind" far beyond that times they were found in......lots of speculation that the idea of the computer chip was found in Roswell etc...on and on. You could pick out dozens of things and debate for hours and still come to the conclusion being "unknown"

Did you ever notice how closely the space helmets on the original Battlestar Galactica resemble the Sphinx? That is pretty clear proof that aliens built the pyramids.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Who cares what others saying. Im legitimately curious to what you saw. Please, share the story. At the very least, PM me.

BTW, i can get the footage off the Mini-DV for you.

If DenverChief wants to make the claim that he has proof on the video, and then he refuses to produce the video, he loses all credibility.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

You said " it has been debunked that animals and bugs make the kind of marks left on the cattle" So if we scientifically know that:

A: Bugs and animals make these marks
B: There is no evidence of human presence (footprints, tire tracks etc) around the livestock

Then there is no cause for a police investigation. It's a pretty simple concept. That doesn't automatically mean that it's aliens. What it doesn't mean is that it's not a clear cut case of crazy west nile mosquitoes devouring a cattle out the the rage in their tiny brain.

That's pretty dumb reasoning. Are you just going to assume that every cattle mutilation leaves no evidence then? Just going to take the farmer's word that there's no evidence? Leave the evidence determination in the hands of the civilian making the report? Really?

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

I'd love for this to be proven true, if for nothing else than to watch religious nutbag's belief system crumble around them.

There is no difference between the two. Each uses the argument from ignorance fallacy to claim that their lack of understanding of something is proof that either a deity or an alien was involved. It's exactly the same.

[SeeingRed]

Roswell supposedly contained valuable in formation....thats was in 1947 correct? Less than 10 years later space travel started. Coincidence?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

That's pretty dumb reasoning. Are you just going to assume that every cattle mutilation leaves no evidence then? Just going to take the farmer's word that there's no evidence? Leave the evidence determination in the hands of the civilian making the report? Really?

Holy shit snacks batman - like I said you don't understand how police investigations work - and you are just making stabs into the dark

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

If DenverChief wants to make the claim that he has proof on the video, and then he refuses to produce the video, he loses all credibility.

I refuse to produce the video.....I'm at work right now....you are more than welcome to come over after and we can have a beer while going through literally hundreds of boxes in my basement (no promises on not running into butt slammers IV) to find one video cassette tape. I mean it's reasonable that I couldn't produce my video within the first 3 hours of this discussion, no?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Well id say there are a lot of things that are unexplained to say the least. If you can explain to me logically how the pyramids were built 5000 years ago with no machines I'm all ears...that is probably the simplest example of dozens. There are ancient structures with precisions cuts that could only be made by the most advanced machinery we use today.....thousands of years ago. How high in the mountains is Machu Picchu again? Pretty damn high to be building with stones that size that weren't from that location etc... ....ancient compass watches with advanced astrological detail from thousands of years ago...ancient maps found frozen showing precise advanced details of all 7 continents from hundreds of years ago, a time long before Antartica was even discovered....lots of speculation that the idea of the computer chip was found in Roswell etc...on and on. Pieces of technology "left behind" far beyond the days & times they were found in. Lets just say assistance from more advanced beings would make a lot more sense than people 5000 years ago doing such things. You could pick out dozens of things and debate for hours and still come to the conclusion being "unknown"

Obviously you give our distant ancestors a lot less credit than I do with regards to their capabilities. I don't really see the pyramids as being impossible to build without machinery. Here's a good description of it: http://www.livescience.com/32616-how...ds-built-.html

The idea that the computer chip was found, and not created, is pretty insulting to a lot of people that put a great deal of effort into its creation. Things like this have a long and very detailed history of their existence. There are exactly zero pieces of current technology that couldn't be traced back to their human inception. To state otherwise is just Tsoukalos inspired nonsense. If you really think there are dozens of things that are debatable regarding their existence outside of human means, then list of a few and let's look at them individually. Let's test your theory that assistance from outside the human civilization makes more sense than human beings being responsible for them.