The state of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Now what...?

With so much anger built-up with this current regime, I can't help but cheer for them after wanting them to fail miserably.

What kind of state is this team and coaching staff in who witnessed this happen if reports are true? Crennel...a defensive coordinator by heart, obviously spent a lot of one-on-one time with this troubled individual. What is he thinking? Scott Pioli...there are banners flying over the stadium calling for your head, and now one of your men has taken the life of a mother and then himself. What is running through his head. Same goes for others who witnessed this tragedy. How do you continue doing your job in a professional manner...?

I have never been in such a situation, but it is one thing to witness someone take their own life, but it's another to witness a friend take such a cowardly route.

SOC...what now? I support the donation idea thrown around in the other threads. IMO, there should be no more banners in the air for the remainder of the season. Do we now go full-homer and support this team regardless of who is navigating the ship?

Finally...if Pioli and [somehow] Crennel return next season, do you support them after what they have witness has humans.

I could have thrown this in either of the two shooting threads, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on where you stand today with the Chiefs. Are you rooting for them to win the remainder of the games this season and whatever happens with our draft position happens....? Is this a matter of football vs real-life to you and as a fan, you still wish for failure in the FO and the #1 draft pick. Or are you somewhere in the middle?

I duno...curious to hear how others feel right now about the state of our franchise given this morning's tragic events. Where do you go from here...?

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Pure speculative bullshit.

Stop trying to project your displeasure with this team's front office onto this situation.

From an article on the subject of suicide:
On the subject of military suicide, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen states that “The most important ingredient is leadership: aggressive, focused, listening leadership. Because…in the toughest situations, when nothing else seems to work, leadership breaks through.”

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

This doesn't change anything with respect to the changes that need to be made.

Agree 100%

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

People trying to blame Pioli for this is like blaming AJ Smith for Seau's suicide. Just stop it.

What a dumb statement... the two situations are completely different.

Seau wasn't directly involved on a day to day basis with the Chargers organization under AJ Smith, whereas Belcher WAS a currently player in the Pioli-led Chiefs organization.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

The amount of stupidity I've read on this board today is stunning, even knowing full well what this place is.

I could of been a normal poster but have not so since I have been thru this.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by okoye35chiefs

this is a joke right

/windowlickers is basically the same as the previous statement being in quotes followed by -windowlickers

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Agreed. Look, regardless of how good or bad it is this is something you sign up for. Being in crappy work enviornments in the NFL are expected from certain organizations. It doesn't seem like this is due to his work life, but even if it is, it's still not his bosses fault.

What? It didn't help if anything that may of been what drove him off the deep end. Just IMO. We will never know.

[okoye35chiefs]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

/windowlickers is basically the same as the previous statement being in quotes followed by -windowlickers

got it thanks..

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by okoye35chiefs

this is a joke right

Your acting like you didn't know it was a joke is a joke, right?

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

From an article on the subject of suicide:
On the subject of military suicide, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen states that “The most important ingredient is leadership: aggressive, focused, listening leadership. Because…in the toughest situations, when nothing else seems to work, leadership breaks through.”

And what degree does Admiral Mullen have that makes him an expert on the subject? Sounds like typical military leadership hoo-rah rhetoric.

Look, it's easy for us to all sit here and point fingers at the GM we hate. But's it's also ridiculously speculative to make claims about what control the GM or coaches had over this situation. For ****'s sake, the guy's mother and girlfriend obviously didn't even catch on.

This is such an absurd talking point. As if Scott ****ing Pioli was best positioned to notice or intervene in the emotional health of Jovan Belcher.

[okoye35chiefs]

nope.. i had no idea what / windowlicker means...

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by okoye35chiefs

nope.. i had no idea what / windowlicker means...

It was a post in parody of the stupid things I've seen posted by stupid people on this subject.

[Nightfyre]

I guess your standards for leadership are weak. The fact is: no organization is more familiar with suicide than the Army is, and the army is attacking it starting it with leadership with positive results.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.

This they all missed the signs. For most there all always signs.

[okoye35chiefs]

Originally Posted by jspchief

It was a post in parody of the stupid things I've seen posted by stupid people on this subject.

thanks appreicate the explaination for the new guy!

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I guess your standards for leadership are weak. The fact is: no organization is more familiar with suicide than the Army is, and the army is attacking it starting it with leadership with positive results.

good grief