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Old 04-16-2018, 02:54 PM  
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Daniel Jeremiah: Many expect Chiefs to trade up for a CB

Not real surprising, but from here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...oking-to-trade

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Chiefs are a candidate to trade up for a CB: The Chiefs don't own a first-round pick in this year's draft (they dealt that pick away in the Patrick Mahomes trade last year), but I won't be surprised if they move up from where they're picking in the second round (No. 54 overall). They have a glaring need at cornerback and the top cover men will be long gone by the time they are on the clock if they stay put at No. 54. They need to get into the range of picks 35-40 in order to secure a Day One starter at that position, and many around the league expect them to make that happen.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:28 PM   #331
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I used the draft value chart for scenarios I proposed and none of them included using multiple picks this year to move up.

I want them to use the Peters pick from LA and possibly another 2 or 3 from next year depending on how the draft plays out and who’s on the board.

If this draft has (and it does) 3rd round talents that project to fall to the mid 4th, I have no problem moving a pick or 2 in next years draft to go get them now.

I want Mahomes to not just score a lot, but to win a lot.

Load the defense and take advantage of the true strengths of the 2018 draft to do so.
if thats the case why would these teams who also believe that and want to trade down to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT take any picks in next year's draft?
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:45 PM   #332
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if thats the case why would these teams who also believe that and want to trade down to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT take any picks in next year's draft?
Let’s say you're Howie Roseman or Bill Billichick and you feel you can get a guy at 54 that will help you just as much as the guy at 32.

Take the 2019 2nd and maybe even use it to move around some more...while still making a selection in the second round in a deep draft.

It all depends on how the draft unfolds.

Veach basically says he wants to move up in every scenario presented. He says he has a group of players in a certain grouping (he refers to them as pockets) that he wants to move up for as that pocket depletes.

Maybe our 2nd rounder and second 4th this year and next years 2 gets us from 54 to 31/32 and gets us a difference making CB if there’s a run on them in the teens-early 20s...maybe that run doesn’t start till the mid to late 20s and Veach sees 5 or 6 he would be happy with...then he wouldn’t need to move up nearly as far, if at all.

Everything depends on how that first round plays out.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:10 PM   #333
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I'll say one thing. I am 99% sure that Veach will trade that next year Rams' 2nd round pick (or the Chiefs').
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:11 PM   #334
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Let’s say you're Howie Roseman or Bill Billichick and you feel you can get a guy at 54 that will help you just as much as the guy at 32.

Take the 2019 2nd and maybe even use it to move around some more...while still making a selection in the second round in a deep draft.

It all depends on how the draft unfolds.

Veach basically says he wants to move up in every scenario presented. He says he has a group of players in a certain grouping (he refers to them as pockets) that he wants to move up for as that pocket depletes.

Maybe our 2nd rounder and second 4th this year and next years 2 gets us from 54 to 31/32 and gets us a difference making CB if there’s a run on them in the teens-early 20s...maybe that run doesn’t start till the mid to late 20s and Veach sees 5 or 6 he would be happy with...then he wouldn’t need to move up nearly as far, if at all.

Everything depends on how that first round plays out.
i dont believe it
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:36 PM   #335
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Interesting notes from the MMQB by Peter King:

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2. Philadelphia—Connor Williams, G-T, Texas

But I think the Eagles are much more likely to deal this pick; I just don’t know to whom.They’re seeking a trade—that I can tell you. Philadelphia has no pick in rounds two or three, and the Eagles don’t pick until the end of round four. So as of now, they go from 33 to 129 without a pick. That’s why they’ll be trying to deal all night Thursday. If they stick … The Eagles have a 35-year-old left tackle, Jason Peters, coming off major injury, and starting guards (Stefan Wisniewski and Brandon Brooks) who will be 29 this season. Connor’s the perfect pick for them, in the unlikely event they stick.
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There will be some trades in this draft that might seem one-sided. Several team officials told me in the past few days that they value Day 2 picks (rounds two and three) so highly that they’d be willing to take slightly less in compensation to move down. Where could this come into play? Cleveland (four), Indianapolis (six), Baltimore (16), Seattle (18), New England (23, 31), New Orleans (27), Philadelphia (32). “This is not your typical draft,” said one veteran club official Sunday. “The second, third and even fourth rounds are gold. You can take less than the trade-value chart says and still make a very good trade if you get multiple picks in those rounds.”
A trade with Philly makes too much sense seeing as how Veach used to work with everyone there. 2nd, first 3rd and a 6th sounds fair to me.
OR...

sit tight with the FIVE picks we have from 54-124 and enjoy the deep draft class.

I'd love to grab a blue chip CB too, but givin the way the board is shaping out, i lean towards sitting tight, and the MOST i do is move up 10-15 in the 2nd round, and only offer a 4th to do it.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:43 PM   #336
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of course he does.

Peters was traded
They tried to trade Nelson
Gaines is gone
Mitchell is gone
Acker is gone

**** moving down from 54.

This class has difference making CBs on cost controlled rookie deals.

Get 2.

Move next years 2 and one of this years 3s to get up to the early to mid 2nd and take a CB and then take another one at 54...or a safety.

Gotta take advantage of the drafts skill depth at certain positions...what Veach called “pockets”.
This i would do for sure if somebody bought it. Imagine grabbing a CB - Davis & S - Reid in the 2nd. I'm in.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:45 PM   #337
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YEah, I'm more into moving up in the 2nd than going to the first. 54 to 32 is a ways to go and would be pricey.
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Old 04-23-2018, 02:14 PM   #338
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I expect to see a trade up into the late 1st or early second that includes a player. I'm not sure who that would be. Last year, I believe that we trade TE O'Shags to the Pats for a 5th. Nobody saw that coming. We loaded up at RB. Maybe we trade West or Ware? Or maybe Nelson? We already tried to trade him once. Harris could be an option too. Maybe Dee Ford? Who knows. But I would bet someone is gone on Thursday or Friday as part of a trade up package.
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Old 04-23-2018, 02:24 PM   #339
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The only reason to move up into the 1st is for the 5th year option. Depends on who you're getting at that point as to whether that's important or not.
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Old 04-23-2018, 02:26 PM   #340
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I expect to see a trade up into the late 1st or early second that includes a player. I'm not sure who that would be. Last year, I believe that we trade TE O'Shags to the Pats for a 5th. Nobody saw that coming. We loaded up at RB. Maybe we trade West or Ware? Or maybe Nelson? We already tried to trade him once. Harris could be an option too. Maybe Dee Ford? Who knows. But I would bet someone is gone on Thursday or Friday as part of a trade up package.
I can see one of the RBs being used to "sweeten the pot".
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Old 04-23-2018, 02:31 PM   #341
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Look through Bill Billicecks draft trade history.

He loves trading down for future picks in trades just like that.

He’s at pick 31 and Philly wants to move down and has 32. If we threw them a 2+4 this year and the Peters pick, that’s probably a done deal.
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Old 04-23-2018, 03:13 PM   #342
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Good point.
Not imo.


The article said Philly wants to trade down for picks in rounds 234 this year.

B B usually gets a1st the next year if he's moving his 1st iirc. Especially when he's wanting a qb...

They are wanting to move up imo
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OR...

sit tight with the FIVE picks we have from 54-124 and enjoy the deep draft class.

I'd love to grab a blue chip CB too, but givin the way the board is shaping out, i lean towards sitting tight, and the MOST i do is move up 10-15 in the 2nd round, and only offer a 4th to do it.
I don’t think Veach wants to come out of this draft without an instant day 1 starter that he can really believe in at corner.

I’m thinking he wants one of the top 6. I’m going with Isaiah Oliver.
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I don’t think Veach wants to come out of this draft without an instant day 1 starter that he can really believe in at corner.

I’m thinking he wants one of the top 6. I’m going with Isaiah Oliver.
Oliver passes the Dorsey prerequisites
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