Realistic expectations for Patrick Mahomes

[TimBone]

I know in the hearts of every planeteer, Mahomes has already led us to multiple Super Bowls, and that this whole career thing is just a formality before his HOF induction ceremony, but what is everyone realistically looking for from him this season?

Maybe I'm just letting my battered fan syndrome take over, but I feel like we need to pump the brakes a little bit. He looked solid against Denver, sure, but he's still just a second year guy that was pretty raw coming out of college.

So, what kind of numbers would everyone be happy with? What kind of things will you all be personally looking for from him?

Lastly, if you think I'm being a pussy and need to shut up and buckle up for the Mahomes show, please hit me with your best neg rep. The funnier the better.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by O.city

But in any manner, just like it was with Alex smith it’s not all black and white

did you expect alex smith to win a playoff game last year?

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not really but I also don’t really think it’s a huge deal breaking 400 yards these days.

its the 'not really' that I am speaking to here. If the answer is 'not really' then thats not a real expectation in my mind. When you expect something and it doesnt happen...then that is a failure.

so if 'not really' is the answer then thats 'not really' a valid expectation

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

did you expect alex smith to win a playoff game last year?

Depends at what time during the year you asked me.

At halftime of the playoff game, yeah I did.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

its the 'not really' that I am speaking to here. If the answer is 'not really' then thats not a real expectation in my mind. When you expect something and it doesnt happen...then that is a failure.

so if 'not really' is the answer then thats 'not really' a valid expectation

I preface the not really with the fact that so many things are out of his control.

If they are plagued with injuries for instance.

But I don’t necessarily think it’s problematic to say it’s a failure if he doesn’t hit certain benchmarks or whatever

The expectations should be high. Some of that is on the chiefs coaching staff and front office for how they’ve talked him up.

But he’s also in a situation I don’t think many qbs have been in early in their career

[RustShack]

Andy makes every QB he coaches look good. Pat is the most gifted passer of the bunch, and it’s not close.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by O.city

But I don’t necessarily think it’s problematic to say it’s a failure if he doesn’t hit certain benchmarks or whatever

I agree. Im not saying there arent benchmarks and expectations. But in the NFL if you dont meet your expectations, you lose your job. 4000 yards is most definitely not on a list of his expectations for this season. Period.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I agree. Im not saying there arent benchmarks and expectations. But in the NFL if you dont meet your expectations, you lose your job. 4000 yards is most definitely not on a list of his expectations for this season. Period.

Your expectations I guess.

Too many moving parts to be pass fail with expectations though.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by O.city

Your expectations I guess.

Too many moving parts to be pass fail with expectations though.

Well you already said that you wouldnt consider it a failure if he doesnt meet your expectations....why bother having expectations if not meeting them is not failure?

In most people's minds and certainly in the NFL , not meeting an expectations is the same thing as failure.

I dont get why you would set an expectations and not say its a failure when it goes unmet , i dont see the point in that....in any aspect of life.

And I agree theres too many moving parts to pick some arbitrary number thats aS high as 4k and have that be an 'expectation' thats one of the main reasons i think its a dumb "expectation".

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Prove it

Favres TD% was 5 and INT% was 3.3
Rodgers TD% is 6.4 and INT% is 1.6


That's not even something you can spin by talking about era differences.
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[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

Favres TD% was 5 and INT% was 3.3
Rodgers TD% is 6.4 and INT% is 1.6


That's not even something you can spin by talking about era differences.
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Yeah Rodgers is insane. He has the highest passer rating in league history, which is 7 points higher than the 2nd QB on the list (Manning).

He has something like 4 TD’s to 1 INT ratio in his career. That’s incredible.

[RealSNR]

I'll bring this up again: Derek Carr has never cracked 4000 yards.

It's not about the QB or the difficulty facing a young QB. It's entirely about the supporting cast, the coach, the playcalling, and the moxy of the guy.

Yeah, don't call it an expectation, but it's a pretty strong prediction. I'm giving high odds to it occurring if injuries don't get in the way (knock on wood).

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by RunKC

He has something like 4 TD’s to 1 INT ratio in his career. That’s incredible.

its so crazy how things have gotten with the passing game...Joe Montana used to be the absolute pinnacle of TD : INT

then brady has destroyed that and other QB's like rodgers are blowing it out too....

i think that softer safety and CB rules have helped though, I dont think this 100% just better QB play...its rules changes too

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

1) Destruction of predecessors "best season as a Chief" statistics.

2) Wild card victory.

Completely realistic.

Utterly attainable.

And coming to a television near you.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Well you already said that you wouldnt consider it a failure if he doesnt meet your expectations....why bother having expectations if not meeting them is not failure?

In most people's minds and certainly in the NFL , not meeting an expectations is the same thing as failure.

I dont get why you would set an expectations and not say its a failure when it goes unmet , i dont see the point in that....in any aspect of life.

And I agree theres too many moving parts to pick some arbitrary number thats aS high as 4k and have that be an 'expectation' thats one of the main reasons i think its a dumb "expectation".

If it’s his issues or his fault not meeting expectations, it’s a failure. The not really was due to the fact that it could be reasons outside of his power that cause it to happen or not.

I don’t think 4K is too high, there were 14 guys that did it in 16 and this chiefs situation I think sets up where he throws for a lot of yards and it could end up being a meh season win wise.

But we’ll see

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Yeah, don't call it an expectation, but it's a pretty strong prediction. I'm giving high odds to it occurring if injuries don't get in the way (knock on wood).

Thats all I am really saying. I mean I just kind of cringe at the idea of setting the 'expectation' so high when not meeting an expectation is the very definition of failure.

I predict good things for Mahomes too...but to me it really isnt about htis season since by most people's expectations this is pretty much a building year and I refuse to get upset if we have a setback in terms of record or yards or whatever....

Just getting pat mahomes has raised my expectations for the future massively!

edit: i dont usually like arguing about defintions of words ..but oh well