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**Rain Man** · 05-22-2018, 01:34 PM

The part about letting him have a pay schedule made me laugh.

In all seriousness, how do you punish someone for a crime like this? Prison seems off target (maybe), but $36 million is basically a life sentence. Maybe that's appropriate, but it was one bad decision by a 15 year old.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/te...rnd/index.html

Teen who started fire that burned 48,000 acres ordered to pay $36 million

When you play with fire, there are bound to be consequences.

For one teenager, that consequence comes with the jarring price tag of $36 million.

On Monday, an Oregon judge ordered the boy, who pleaded guilty to starting the Eagle Creek wildfire last year, to pay $36,618,330.24 in restitution to cover the damages.

The teen said he tossed fireworks in the woods while hiking on Eagle Creek trail on Sept. 2, 2017, according to court documents obtained by CNN. One of those fireworks ignited the massive wildfire in Oregon, which burned more than 48,000 acres.

The Vancouver, Washington, youth, who was 15 at the time of the incident, appeared at a hearing on Thursday. He is not being named because he's a minor. The 11 claims from the state and other parties totaled $36 million, something the teen's attorney called absurd, according to CNN affiliate KOIN.

The teen's attorney, Jack Morris, said the hefty fine violated the Oregon and US Constitutions, citing the Eighth Amendment, which protects people from excessive fines and "cruel and unusual punishment," according to the judge's written opinion.

Hood River County Circuit Court Judge John A. Olson wrote in his opinion that the judgment doesn't violate the constitution. "The restitution is clearly proportionate to the offense because it does not exceed the financial damages caused by the youth," he wrote.

"I'm satisfied that the restitution ordered in this case bears a sufficient relationship to the gravity of the offenses for which the youth was adjudicated," he wrote.

CNN tried to contact Morris, the defense lawyer, on Monday but he did not call back.

The order says the following organizations and people should be receiving money:

$5,000 to Iris Schenk
$8,111.44 to Allstate Insurance
$31,550.90 to Oregon State Parks
$100,000 to Heuker Properties
$168,000 to Trail Club of Oregon
$1,048,877.52 to Union Pacific Railroad
$1,643,035.38 to Oregon State Fire Marshal
$12,500,000 to Oregon Department of Transportation
$21,113,755 to US Forest Service

If the teen cannot pay the millions in full, the court has said he could establish a pay schedule through the Hood River Juvenile Department.

In February, the teenager apologized in court and was sentenced to five years probation and 1,920 hours of community service with the U.S. Forest Service, reported CNN affiliate KPTV.

Willie Lanier · 05-23-2018, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

You read for shit. I said if he paid back 1%.

Math is hard at high altitude, as is reading comprehension

MagicHef · 05-23-2018, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

You read for shit. I said if he paid back 1%.

In a separate paragraph you did, I suppose. Hopefully you don't write for a living.

**Rain Man** · 05-23-2018, 07:41 PM

Does he get charged interest? Because even at 3%, he has to pay $1 million a year just to keep the debt from increasing.

kccrow · 05-23-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

In a separate paragraph you did, I suppose. Hopefully you don't write for a living.

You realize the average IQ on this board is about 50 correct? I'm hardly going to put forth the effort to make a concise sentence, much less ****ing paragraphs. Consider the entire post one paragraph so that you can comprehend it better.

**Baby Lee** · 05-24-2018, 11:23 PM

Given the thread, and the author, seems appropriate.

https://jalopnik.com/how-one-suv-fir...ged-1826086012

MarkDavis'Haircut · 05-25-2018, 12:37 PM

Maybe Billy Joel can help him raise the money?

**Rain Man** · 05-25-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Given the thread, and the author, seems appropriate.

https://jalopnik.com/how-one-suv-fir...ged-1826086012

Wow. That's a messy situation.

05-22-2018, 01:34 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3368491 VARSITY	You break it, you buy it. Teen learns the hard way. The part about letting him have a pay schedule made me laugh. In all seriousness, how do you punish someone for a crime like this? Prison seems off target (maybe), but $36 million is basically a life sentence. Maybe that's appropriate, but it was one bad decision by a 15 year old. https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/te...rnd/index.html Teen who started fire that burned 48,000 acres ordered to pay $36 million When you play with fire, there are bound to be consequences. For one teenager, that consequence comes with the jarring price tag of $36 million. On Monday, an Oregon judge ordered the boy, who pleaded guilty to starting the Eagle Creek wildfire last year, to pay $36,618,330.24 in restitution to cover the damages. The teen said he tossed fireworks in the woods while hiking on Eagle Creek trail on Sept. 2, 2017, according to court documents obtained by CNN. One of those fireworks ignited the massive wildfire in Oregon, which burned more than 48,000 acres. The Vancouver, Washington, youth, who was 15 at the time of the incident, appeared at a hearing on Thursday. He is not being named because he's a minor. The 11 claims from the state and other parties totaled $36 million, something the teen's attorney called absurd, according to CNN affiliate KOIN. The teen's attorney, Jack Morris, said the hefty fine violated the Oregon and US Constitutions, citing the Eighth Amendment, which protects people from excessive fines and "cruel and unusual punishment," according to the judge's written opinion. Hood River County Circuit Court Judge John A. Olson wrote in his opinion that the judgment doesn't violate the constitution. "The restitution is clearly proportionate to the offense because it does not exceed the financial damages caused by the youth," he wrote. "I'm satisfied that the restitution ordered in this case bears a sufficient relationship to the gravity of the offenses for which the youth was adjudicated," he wrote. CNN tried to contact Morris, the defense lawyer, on Monday but he did not call back. The order says the following organizations and people should be receiving money: $5,000 to Iris Schenk $8,111.44 to Allstate Insurance $31,550.90 to Oregon State Parks $100,000 to Heuker Properties $168,000 to Trail Club of Oregon $1,048,877.52 to Union Pacific Railroad $1,643,035.38 to Oregon State Fire Marshal $12,500,000 to Oregon Department of Transportation $21,113,755 to US Forest Service If the teen cannot pay the millions in full, the court has said he could establish a pay schedule through the Hood River Juvenile Department. In February, the teenager apologized in court and was sentenced to five years probation and 1,920 hours of community service with the U.S. Forest Service, reported CNN affiliate KPTV.
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