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Old 01-15-2013, 04:27 AM  
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*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

I can't be the only wrestling fan on this site. In fact, I know I that's not the case. The almighty king of n00bs, Sorter, is a wrestling fan. I figure there could be more.....????

Discuss anything wrestling related:

Youth wrestling: Heck, wrestling in Iowa has a rabid Youth wrestling scene...I lived through it, my younger brother lived through it and my brothers who are 15 and 13 are living through it, well the 13 year old is anyway...he's in high school. The 13 year old is a 7th grader who has been wrestling since he was 5 years old and has accumulated 4 state championships since his second grade year...a total badass. Believe it or not, Iowa has a youth wrestling forum that is hopping...even during the summer. Iowans take this stuff seriously. I'm assuming other states have rabid youth followings, for when I watch my bros at National tourneys, we are constantly running into kids and super clubs from other states that are amazing. Ironically, one of the biggest youth tourneys our club hits annually is the Park Hill Individual and Dual tournament...which to my knowledge is in Kansas City (I've never attended that one). Do any of you have kids who are wrestling? If so, how are they doing?

High School Wrestling: High school and college wrestling in Iowa is big... we are known for it, ask AC Slater. State tournament is a big, televised event at the Wells Fargo dome...you will see probably 10 times more spectators at state wrestling in Iowa then any other high school sporting event in Iowa. With some of the crazy talent I have seen/wrestled against at Fargo Nationals, I am assuming that it's either on the rise or just as big in other states as well... What are your thoughts on some of the high school wrestlers and/or teams out there?

College Wrestling: Hell, you Missourians semi-recently had those Askren brothers. I've never met Max, but have met Ben. He was the celebrity guest at Iowa Grade School State one year...he signed autographs and handed the medals and wall charts to all of the kids on the podium that year, which was cool because my youngest brother won it that year and was able to get his championship singlet signed by him. I was with my brother when he approached him....Askren struck me as a funny, goofy type of dude. I don't know Max, but someone posted his blog on an Iowa wrestling message board and the dude seems like a character. I know there are some Oklahomans' who post on this board. Anyone see Okie State defeat Iowa this past weekend? Iowa's first dual loss of the year. Anyone have any thoughts on college wrestling?

International Wrestling: Any of you have any thoughts on the international wrestling scene? Future Olympians, future Olympic champs, future World champs, Greco, Freestyle, etc.?

Wrestling Memories/General Discussion: Any of you have any memories you'd like to share from your personal experience(s) of wrestling when you were in youth, high school or college? Any opinions on females wrestling with males. Last year, a girl named Megan Black made history in Iowa by placing at state. Do you believe females should be able to wrestle with males at that age? Any thoughts on weight cutting? What are some of the most memorable matches to you? Who are your favorite wrestlers? One match that always sticks out to me is this:



Crazy match.

My favorite wrestler (besides my bros and former teammates) of all time is ironically not an Iowan. I don't really have a favorite team in wrestling...I root for individuals. It's a dude from Ohio that I initially hated because I didn't like the way he conducted himself after a match vs. my brother in the national duals when he and my brother were Seniors in High School, in which he defeated my brother. Kid was cocky. He and my brother both went on to wrestle D1, so I followed him since I knew who he was. I ended up becoming a huge fan of the kid's style...the kid could hit cradles from ANY position. He went on to win 2 National titles for Ohio State...and did so both years as an underdog, for he'd lose quite a few silly matches during the season, presumably due to his risky, but dangerous style that worked well for him at NCAA Nationals. It's a dude named Jeff Jaggers. First vid is what really put his name on the map as a high school wrestler. 2nd vid is his 1st NCAA championship as a Junior, in a match where he was a huge underdog, broke his ankle during the match and gutted it out and won. My favorite wrestlers tend to be the ones who are risk takers or brawlers...not afraid to be aggressive or take chances. I can't stand stallish wrestlers who are successful as hell simply because they don't open up and therefore don't give up points and score their own points by capitalizing on the other wrestler's aggression. Boring.






So what ya got?

Note: I have been posting on wrestling message boards for 12 years and I (and I'm sure everyone else involved with the sport) have heard every wrestling joke (rolling around with men, etc.) imaginable, but if ya want to clown on the sport, shoot... it was inevitable to happen anyways on CP, so have at it!
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:38 PM   #151
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Yeah. They had to combine a bunch of weights in this tournament (and probably will in most tournaments) because of the lack of wrestlers. They also wanted the novices to get to wrestle as many matches as possible.

Wrestling is pretty much in its infancy in this area. There's a pretty storied club out of Little Rock called the Mighty Bluebirds, but other than that we don't have a lot of clubs. They formed this club about two weeks ago, and we already have had around 30 kids showing up for every practice (5 years old up to 14, at which point they start wrestling for the high school). Anyway, we have another tournament this weekend in Van Buren, which is about an hour away. Hopefully the snow/ice they're predicting doesn't keep us from attending.
Be safe and please drive carefully. Let's hope the weather holds off, I hate to see kids miss a chance to step in and toe the line....
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:40 PM   #152
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A dynasty begins. I take my son, 3 nephews and join some young sons of other family for their first practice next week. Put a mat in my dojo room and started FUNdamentals.
In Iowa you have a lot of dynasties to learn from! GREAT wrestling state!
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:45 PM   #153
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All of my siblings have wrestling age boys now. The mat club now allows preschool so we are throwing the young ones in. With our boys and those of first cousins when this group is in high school we could have 13 boys on the high school wrestling team from our family at the same time. We are not pushing. We are encouraging. Right now it's just rough housing on the mat and practicing stances and getting thrown around.

I anticipate a lot of winter bleacher butt in the coming years. I will likely be helping with thE youth program as time allows.
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:48 PM   #154
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All of my siblings have wrestling age boys now. The mat club now allows preschool so we are throwing the young ones in. With our boys and those of first cousins when this group is in high school we could have 13 boys on the high school wrestling team from our family at the same time. We are not pushing. We are encouraging. Right now it's just rough housing on the mat and practicing stances and getting thrown around.

I anticipate a lot of winter bleacher butt in the coming years. I will likely be helping with thE youth program as time allows.
I'm now taking my dad spot for our youth wrestling program. My dad been doing it for about 30+ years.
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Old 11-15-2014, 02:38 PM   #155
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Tournament #2 is in the books.

This was an open tournament, unlike our last one which was novice. My son wrestled at 60 lbs, so he was in a good weight class. Unfortunately, his first match was against the reigning state champion in their division. Ouch.

He won his second in nailbiting fashion. The kid went up 1 point on him with out 12 seconds left in the final round. We were screaming "You've got to double leg him! Get a takedown" and with like 4 seconds to go, he shot and doublelegged and scored two points to win the match by 1. Freaking craziness.

He lost his third one to a kid who had absolutely zero form. Just grabbed him, tied him up, and tossed him around. The kid wasn't shooting or halfing or doing anything. He was just stronger and more agressive and my kid was doing a shitty job of running out of his holds and then turning around and double legging him.

This week, my son is going to have to learn how to do a decent double leg. He wants to sprawl and work to back constantly, but he's not quick enough on his sprawl, so he ends up getting taken down a lot, which puts him behind in scoring.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:00 PM   #156
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I love the update.. And yes, at 10 they will run into kids who are technically not as good, but win on attitude. Don't worry about it, in short order the coaches will coach your son through such things and teach him to use their aggressiveness to their advantage. Nothing wrong with being aggressive, but there's everything wrong with being predictable and not having the skills to make the stick.

Here's a pic of my son (burgundy singlet) at 10/60 bridging-out of a match that he won because he held that bridge for nearly 25 seconds. He learned a lot that day, and one lesson was not to get too cocky because your're up by 6 points. He also learned that just because you're pretty good doesn't mean that other kids aren't good too. This was a friend of his to boot! He lucked-out because the kid thought my son couldn't hold the bridge. Well, he did, the the five points the other kid got for all this effort left him one short of the match going into OT. It was a great day and 25 seconds of my life that took more than a year off the end of my life!

I coached him a LOT in football, baseball and wrestling and wrestling, BY FAR, is the one that put more gray hair on me! LOL!!

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This was an open tournament, unlike our last one which was novice. My son wrestled at 60 lbs, so he was in a good weight class. Unfortunately, his first match was against the reigning state champion in their division. Ouch.

He won his second in nailbiting fashion. The kid went up 1 point on him with out 12 seconds left in the final round. We were screaming "You've got to double leg him! Get a takedown" and with like 4 seconds to go, he shot and doublelegged and scored two points to win the match by 1. Freaking craziness.

He lost his third one to a kid who had absolutely zero form. Just grabbed him, tied him up, and tossed him around. The kid wasn't shooting or halfing or doing anything. He was just stronger and more agressive and my kid was doing a shitty job of running out of his holds and then turning around and double legging him.

This week, my son is going to have to learn how to do a decent double leg. He wants to sprawl and work to back constantly, but he's not quick enough on his sprawl, so he ends up getting taken down a lot, which puts him behind in scoring.
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I love the update.. And yes, at 10 they will run into kids who are technically not as good, but win on attitude. Don't worry about it, in short order the coaches will coach your son through such things and teach him to use their aggressiveness to their advantage. Nothing wrong with being aggressive, but there's everything wrong with being predictable and not having the skills to make the stick.

Here's a pic of my son (burgundy singlet) at 10/60 bridging-out of a match that he won because he held that bridge for nearly 25 seconds. He learned a lot that day, and one lesson was not to get too cocky because your're up by 6 points. He also learned that just because you're pretty good doesn't mean that other kids aren't good too. This was a friend of his to boot! He lucked-out because the kid thought my son couldn't hold the bridge. Well, he did, the the five points the other kid got for all this effort left him one short of the match going into OT. It was a great day and 25 seconds of my life that took more than a year off the end of my life!

I coached him a LOT in football, baseball and wrestling and wrestling, BY FAR, is the one that put more gray hair on me! LOL!!

That's an awesome pic! My boy is actually 7, though (not 10).


My 9 year old developmentally delayed kid is also wrestling, but he's not competing as of now. It's more like physical/occupational therapy for him. So far the coaches have been very cool about it. We just have to rotate his partners, because he doesn't put up much of a fight for his partners, so they don't get as much work as they should. That being said, I was noticing his partner working with him last week, and I thought the other kid was actually learning a ton, because he was having to teach my delayed son how to do some of the moves and such. What's the saying: you remember 10% of you hear and 90% of what you teach (or something like that).
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Oh, and I witnessed the most glorious ankle pick I've ever seen to start a match in Division 5 today. Sadly, it was against one of our club kids. It was still just insane. The kid who had it done to him walked off the mat laughing actually because he couldn't believe how quickly it was over.

Ref signals, other kid quick as lightning drops down and does an ankle pick, upends our kid, throws him, and pins him. Over in like 6 seconds.
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Oh, and I witnessed the most glorious ankle pick I've ever seen to start a match in Division 5 today. Sadly, it was against one of our club kids. It was still just insane. The kid who had it done to him walked off the mat laughing actually because he couldn't believe how quickly it was over.

Ref signals, other kid quick as lightning drops down and does an ankle pick, upends our kid, throws him, and pins him. Over in like 6 seconds.


I love these inside ankle picks. Absolutely wicked.
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You're a teacher so you prolly know this already, keep them both in it. Like music and scouting, there are secrets in these activities that help kids be awesome. I think we all understand how music helps the mind, scouting prolly character, but wrestling is the enigma to me. i know it helps kids be as awesome as they can be. Perhaps it's the "no team mates, no time outs, not excuses" way things unfold on the mat, but the room is another place where these kids learn the value and coloration between hard work and success. Conversely the experience, or at least see, how lack of effort, preparation, and commitment leads to poor outcomes. The same can be said of any sport, but wrestling doesn't dilute the blame or accountability factor.

I know my son did band all through high school, earned Eagle scout, went to state as a youth wrestler, played football for five years, baseball for seven, played tennis throughout high school, lived his high school years in the robotics room, took every advanced class they offered in science, English and math, and ended up in S&T. Am I a proud dad? Yes, he's one of the best kids and young men I've ever known. He's everything I wish I ever could have been at those stages in life!

And I credit wrestling with a very unique lesson in all of that - a gut check... He went through his phases, but was awesome because he learned how to channel anger, frustration, pain, and humility into a positive force on the mat.

Keep both of them in it, you won't regret it...

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That's an awesome pic! My boy is actually 7, though (not 10).


My 9 year old developmentally delayed kid is also wrestling, but he's not competing as of now. It's more like physical/occupational therapy for him. So far the coaches have been very cool about it. We just have to rotate his partners, because he doesn't put up much of a fight for his partners, so they don't get as much work as they should. That being said, I was noticing his partner working with him last week, and I thought the other kid was actually learning a ton, because he was having to teach my delayed son how to do some of the moves and such. What's the saying: you remember 10% of you hear and 90% of what you teach (or something like that).
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All of my siblings have wrestling age boys now. The mat club now allows preschool so we are throwing the young ones in. With our boys and those of first cousins when this group is in high school we could have 13 boys on the high school wrestling team from our family at the same time. We are not pushing. We are encouraging. Right now it's just rough housing on the mat and practicing stances and getting thrown around.

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Anymore, in Iowa... the school youth programs aare fading a bit to Super Clubs that are generally run by former NCAA champs/All-Americans...kids generally join when they reach a level where they are taking things rather seriously. If this sounds appealing to you, hit me up when the time comes and I'll steer you in the right direction... not sure where you are located geographically speaking, but a lot of the choice of which super club to choose is dependent on where the person lives.

It's pretty neat. Some of these guys are able to make a living by facilitating their own wrestling club...which is awesome, for I've always found it to be catastrophic that wrestling is the most grueling, tough sport, but the athletes can't make a living via becoming professional like other sports.

Some examples of these include:

Eastern Iowa Wrestling Club (Iowa City based...run by Terry Brands...who was an NCAA champ and Olympic bronze winner).

Sebolt Wrestling Academy (In North Central/North East Iowa. Run by 4 time state champ and current Iowa career wins record holder, T.J. Sebolt).

Porcelli (based in Des Moines...great guy).

D.C. Elite: Based in Cedar Rapids/Mount Pleasant. Run by Iowa HS state champ and Wisconsin NCAA All American, Dusty Coufal. This has been the most successful club the past 3 years, although Eastern Iowa is catching up. My bros are in this club along with House of Payne, although I wish they'd try out Eastern Iowa WC...there is a coach for D.C. Elite who pisses me off and IMO, doesn't belong in there because he coaches a HS team). Dusty is the most intense youth coach in the state and really gets a lot out of kids. His wrestling club is his life....really...I think it's how he makes a living. He runs the king of the super clubs, for now...they win everything and are invited fo prestigious national dual wrestling tourneys in which they always place pretty high and sometimes win it.


House of Payne: Jason Payne's club. He is an NCAA All American from UNI...along with being a 3 time state champ. My bros are in this one as well. I love this guy. Located in Washington, IA...brings in a lot of the South East Iowans like ourselves I live in a small town near Burlington... the Royals's A baseball team used to be in Burlington. I used to see some of these guys who play for the Royals now (most notably Gordon and Moustakis) all the time at the bars. They were real nice, but most of them were very vocal about how much they hated Burlington, IA due to the lack of support for the Burlington Bees team. Anyways...

Ubasa: Hawaiian standout and former Iowa wrestler, Pablo Ubasa. He conducts sessions in Des Moines and Iowa City.

High Altitude: Gosh, this guy's name of escapes me, but this program is located in Des Moines. Until D.C. Elite dethroned them, this used to be THE premier club. Excellent coach.

Cobra: Southwest Iowa, Council Bluffs area...can't remember the guy's name.

Meneely: Run by former HS superstar and Iowa wrestler, Todd Meneely. Based in Omaha..also reels in Southwest Iowa wrestlers and Council Bluffs kids.

Legends of Gold: Northwest Iowa...they get some of the Sioux City area kids.

Kaos Gold: Oskaloosa

Team Swagger: Run by former Iowa HS runner-up, Jamie Cochrane. My bros have been to a few of these sessions. Cochrane has such a unique and awesome method of conditioning and conducting practices. I've seen it firsthand. A FANTASTIC program...located in Moravia, Iowa.

Young Bucks: Albia area. Maybe held in Knoxville. Run by the Pickerel brothers. Nick Pickerel was my brother, Justin's primary practice partner at UNI...Nick won state a couple times in high school. These guys are great.

Higher Power Wrestling Club: T.J. Sebolt and I believe Dean Happel (a state champ from Lisbon, IA who actually beat Tom Brands either in HS or college). There are higher power locations sporadically placed around Iowa... like Centrville, Lisbon, etc. These guys incorporate prayer and religion into practice. If that's your thing then one thing I can say about them is that they have some dandy wrestlers. Carter Happel is probably the best wrestler in the state of Iowa...won Fargo.

Young Guns: Run by University of Iowa NCAA Champion, Eric Juergens. He turns kids into monsters. Based in Dubuque and the Quad Cities. After Juergens was done ad Iowa, he helped out as a volunteer coach at the cdge I wrestled at, my Sophomore season, which was Loras College in Dubuque. He basically imposed his will and took over the program..unpaid. Our paid coaching staff was totally fine with it. This guy is an absolute machine. And he is great at connecting with kids and helping them with the mental aspect. Great coach. I hung out with him quite a bit for a few years there...dude was an absolute nut when we'd start drinking....just had that "I am invincible" mentality... would do crazy, funny shit. Fun guy to hang out with and an absolutely awesome coach.

Former Iowa NCAA champ, Joe.Williams is starting something on Iowa City. To be honest, he appeals to the Iowa City High and African American kids. Nice guy...INTENSE coach.

That's it, in a nutshell, off the top of my head... when all your boys nephews have the basics down, these super clubs specialize in "polishing" their skill sets...and in most cases, it just works wonders. I'd highly recommend it.
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Old 11-15-2014, 04:14 PM   #162
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Tournament #2 is in the books.

This was an open tournament, unlike our last one which was novice. My son wrestled at 60 lbs, so he was in a good weight class. Unfortunately, his first match was against the reigning state champion in their division. Ouch.

He won his second in nailbiting fashion. The kid went up 1 point on him with out 12 seconds left in the final round. We were screaming "You've got to double leg him! Get a takedown" and with like 4 seconds to go, he shot and doublelegged and scored two points to win the match by 1. Freaking craziness.

He lost his third one to a kid who had absolutely zero form. Just grabbed him, tied him up, and tossed him around. The kid wasn't shooting or halfing or doing anything. He was just stronger and more agressive and my kid was doing a shitty job of running out of his holds and then turning around and double legging him.

This week, my son is going to have to learn how to do a decent double leg. He wants to sprawl and work to back constantly, but he's not quick enough on his sprawl, so he ends up getting taken down a lot, which puts him behind in scoring.

Exciting stuff, isn't it? Sounds like he ran into a brawler in his 3rd match. I've seen it time and time again..those types of kids are usually passed by the mode technically sound kids the time they hit 4th or 5th grade...that is unless, they make changes to their own game(s). I've noticed that a lot of kids who wrestle that way have mohawks. Just an observation... or at least, kids with mohawks tend to wrestle that way. I used to love wrestling kids with mohawks and never understood why other kids were intimidated by them.... it was usually a huge indicator to me that the kid was a dunce and that if I wrestled smart and watched for the headlock... I'd bury the kid. I mean, I hate to generalize, but I literally have never seen a mohawk kid who wasn't like that. Seriously.

Props to your boy! Keep us posted.

My bros are now a Junior and Freshman this season. Season starts Monday, although to be honest, it never really ends for them. I'm hoping my Freshman brother can handle the pressure. There is a lot old pressure on him for he is one of the most heavily anticipated wrestlers for our school... ever. He set a JH record last season for school sanctioned events. He became the first wrestler from my school to not only go undefeated all through JH, but he did not give up a single point. He pinned every kid he wrestled in his 2 seasons of JH school sanctioned events with an exception of 2 tech falls and one major decision. Lotta expectations/pressure...our high school is ranked #46 nationally via intermat. It just worries me... Just talking about this shit makes me nervous. Brennan, the Freshman will be at 120 while my Junior bro, Shea will be at 126.
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I love these inside ankle picks. Absolutely wicked.
I love watching Dake get taken down. That dude rubs me the wrong way...and I really like Taylor.

I joined a college wrestling fantasy league, Sorter. I need your help. I know the jist of college wrestlers, but my wrestling knowledge in terms of who is who is more broad on the youth/high school levels. I just haven't had time to follow college wrestling as I once used to. Anyways, the scoring is about how you'd predict...bonus points for majors, techs, wins, pins, etc. Large emphasis on how they finish at Nationals.

With that said, who should I look into drafting? We get one wrestler per weight and 2-3 for your bench. Who will place high and/or score the bonus points? Can you give me a run down? THANKS A TON!!!
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I love watching Dake get taken down. That dude rubs me the wrong way...and I really like Taylor.

I joined a college wrestling fantasy league, Sorter. I need your help. I know the jist of college wrestlers, but my wrestling knowledge in terms of who is who is more broad on the youth/high school levels. I just haven't had time to follow college wrestling as I once used to. Anyways, the scoring is about how you'd predict...bonus points for majors, techs, wins, pins, etc. Large emphasis on how they finish at Nationals.

With that said, who should I look into drafting? We get one wrestler per weight and 2-3 for your bench. Who will place high and/or score the bonus points? Can you give me a run down? THANKS A TON!!!
125-Delgado/Waters/Gilman/Peters
133-Clarke/Thielke/Gulibon
141-Steiber/Mecate/Dutton
149-Steiber/Houdashelt/Kindig/Ruggirello
157-Ness/Green/Demas/Alton (points early in the year)
165-Sulzer/Massa/Palacio
174-Storley/Brown/Wilps
184-Dean/Courts
197-J'den
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I have never done what you're doing before and don't follow it as closely anymore. Rudy is probably someone who can give you better ideas. I'd think L. Steiber would be a lock for 1.1 but again, I have no idea.
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