NFL Draft Peter King: Scouts not impressed with 2013 QB class - Page 16

Quesadilla Joe · 11-02-2012, 03:10 AM

Bad year to pick a QB 1, 2 or 3. QBs sinking like stones in eyes of NFL scouts.

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Saccopoo · 11-04-2012, 09:37 PM

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Then why does he make poor decisions against superior opponents?

I'm not sure that poor decisions is something that is entirely on him at this point.

And considering that he was 3-1 TD/INT against a good TCU defense and led his team to a TD in that OT, which was lost on a two point conversion by TCU, I'm not necessarily convinced that he displayed "poor decisions" in that game. Especially when his offensive line was basically a sieve and has been for the past three games. Yes, he forced some stuff that you didn't see previously, but he was getting hammered all game.

And there isn't a QB out there that isn't guilty of forcing it once and a while. Barkley was absolute dog shit versus Stanford. Maybe the worst game of the big three (Smith, Barkley, Wilson) for the entire 2012 season. Wilson has numerous meltdowns this entire season.

If you are taking the TCU game as a measuring stick for a negative against Geno, then you need to do the same for the others as well. And by comparison, he was substantially better than either Barkley or Wilson in their "worst" games of the season.

Sorter · 11-04-2012, 09:43 PM

Watch Barkley's game vs Syracuse. Yuck.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-04-2012, 10:04 PM

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Watch Barkley's game vs Syracuse. Yuck.

But Barkley has thrown 102 TD's versus 39 INT's in his four year career.

That said, he's going to have bad games. Every QB, whether it's Kurt Warner or Warren Moon or Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, has bad games.

Are you really willing to dismiss him because of ONE game, when he has 35+ games in which he's been lights out?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-04-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm not sure that poor decisions is something that is entirely on him at this point.

And considering that he was 3-1 TD/INT against a good TCU defense and led his team to a TD in that OT, which was lost on a two point conversion by TCU, I'm not necessarily convinced that he displayed "poor decisions" in that game. Especially when his offensive line was basically a sieve and has been for the past three games. Yes, he forced some stuff that you didn't see previously, but he was getting hammered all game.

And there isn't a QB out there that isn't guilty of forcing it once and a while. Barkley was absolute dog shit versus Stanford. Maybe the worst game of the big three (Smith, Barkley, Wilson) for the entire 2012 season. Wilson has numerous meltdowns this entire season.

If you are taking the TCU game as a measuring stick for a negative against Geno, then you need to do the same for the others as well. And by comparison, he was substantially better than either Barkley or Wilson in their "worst" games of the season.

Kansas State whooped his ass. He's looked nothing like a Heisman winner this last month, let alone a number one overall pick.

There is plenty of time for him to recover but color me extremely unimpressed. The guy is falling, big time.

Only the homers can't see it.

Sorter · 11-04-2012, 10:08 PM

Not at all. Barkley has struggled for most of this year though. Just throwing that out there really to highlight your point. Every QB is going to have bad games. When evaluating them, you ned to see what they consistently do wrong and then determine if it can be corrected.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-04-2012, 10:12 PM

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Not at all. Barkley has struggled for most of this year though. Just throwing that out there really to highlight your point. Every QB is going to have bad games. When evaluating them, you ned to see what they consistently do wrong and then determine if it can be corrected.

Barkley may have truly ****ed himself by staying one more year. He certainly would have been taken before Tannehill and may have given the Shanahan's a second thought about trading up.

That said, USC has some serious flaws. The loss of scholarships is really hitting them hard this year and they've clearly not ascended.

Barkley will be fine. Much like Matt Ryan, he's somewhat of a product of those around him.

I don't know nearly enough about Smith to say the same but to date, I am supremely unimpressed with CP's latest obsession.

Sorter · 11-04-2012, 10:15 PM

Agree with that entire post.

Edit, minus the last part. I've only been unimpressed the last 3 weeks. This week wasn't horrible IIRC but I haven't re-watched it. Or any of those games, for that matter.

Saccopoo · 11-04-2012, 10:15 PM

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Kansas State whooped his ass. He's looked nothing like a Heisman winner this last month, let alone a number one overall pick.

There is plenty of time for him to recover but color me extremely unimpressed. The guy is falling, big time.

Only the homers can't see it.

I'm not a homer. Not even close.

I see a number of traits in his makeup and game that are skills required to succeed at the next level.

Quick release, pocket presence, head up and eyes downfield, great arm and timing on passes, exceptionally quick release, high release point, doesn't give up in the pocket even when he's got guys draped on him, ability to throw to any level of the field easily, etc.

The guy is a total gamer and has the tools. I'm looking at the potential for success at the next level. To me, Smith has those tools.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-04-2012, 10:18 PM

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I'm not a homer. Not even close.

I see a number of traits in his makeup and game that are skills required to succeed at the next level.

Quick release, pocket presence, head up and eyes downfield, great arm and timing on passes, exceptionally quick release, high release point, doesn't give up in the pocket even when he's got guys draped on him, ability to throw to any level of the field easily, etc.

The guy is a total gamer and has the tools. I'm looking at the potential for success at the next level. To me, Smith has those tools.

Again, I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing a guy that's extremely unimpressive when he plays a pro style defense like K-State.

I think Holgersen is a drunken fool, much to the dismay of many CPer's (the guy would get EATEN ALIVE as an NFL OC).

I'll continue to watch him but again, I am just not seeing it. He's in nowhere near the same class as Tannehill, RGIII, Luck, Newton or even Barkley and Dalton.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-04-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Agree with that entire post.

Edit, minus the last part. I've only been unimpressed the last 3 weeks. This week wasn't horrible IIRC but I haven't re-watched it. Or any of those games, for that matter.

Man, I hate to sound like a dick but beating Marshall, James Madison, Maryland and Baylor isn't impressive. Not one of those teams has an average defense, let alone an upper echelon defense (not to mention, NFL style defense).

He shit the bed versus Kansas State and Tech and couldn't pull it off against TCU.

I'm just not seeing it.

Sorter · 11-04-2012, 10:26 PM

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Man, I hate to sound like a dick but beating Marshall, James Madison, Maryland and Baylor isn't impressive. Not one of those teams has an average defense, let alone an upper echelon defense (not to mention, NFL style defense).

He shit the bed versus Kansas State and Tech and couldn't pull it off against TCU.

I'm just not seeing it.

I agree. Texas, LSU last year, Clemson, and Louisville are the games I've watched his snaps and was impressed. Haven't watched all of his tape from last year or this year.

Watched all of Wilson's snaps last year instead and most of Barkley's this year and 7 games from last year.

O.city · 11-04-2012, 10:29 PM

One TD against TCU was a ball that should have been intercepted that he threw into double coverage in the end zone where his wr just made a play.

However, I'm not sure how much of his poor play isn't simply based on the fact that the whole offensive passing scheme has been figured out, combined with the fact that they have the worst defense in the NCAA and he is forcing things and passes where he shouldn't.

Saccopoo · 11-04-2012, 10:38 PM

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One TD against TCU was a ball that should have been intercepted that he threw into double coverage in the end zone where his wr just made a play.

However, I'm not sure how much of his poor play isn't simply based on the fact that the whole offensive passing scheme has been figured out, combined with the fact that they have the worst defense in the NCAA and he is forcing things and passes where he shouldn't.

And yet, he still only has three interceptions for the entire season.

Forcing passes where he shouldn't and still has only three INTs. Weird.

How many does Barkley have with a substantially better team around him?

How many does Wilson have? (Especially compared to his TD to Int ratio.)

And I think both are fine QB's.

RunKC · 11-04-2012, 10:39 PM

Geno has a hard time reading defenses that give him multiple looks. Geno struggled and he also made some really bad passes against TCU. He's lucky he didn't have 3 INT's.

I like Geno though. He's gonna take more time to develop than Barkley but his ceiling is higher.

Sure-Oz · 11-04-2012, 10:40 PM

Regardless the Chiefs gotta draft 2 QB's. 1st round and someone a few rounds later

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2804064	One TD against TCU was a ball that should have been intercepted that he threw into double coverage in the end zone where his wr just made a play. However, I'm not sure how much of his poor play isn't simply based on the fact that the whole offensive passing scheme has been figured out, combined with the fact that they have the worst defense in the NCAA and he is forcing things and passes where he shouldn't.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2309611	Geno has a hard time reading defenses that give him multiple looks. Geno struggled and he also made some really bad passes against TCU. He's lucky he didn't have 3 INT's. I like Geno though. He's gonna take more time to develop than Barkley but his ceiling is higher.
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