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Old 01-31-2012, 02:52 PM  
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:31 PM   #6601
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By that logic, Duke would have to do the same. Their history before Coach K is not great, and we saw what happened to them when Coach K sat out a season because of his back problems.

Also by your logic, you would have to exclude UCLA....they only have 1 title since Wooden and the program has been up and down.
You don't know much about college basketball if you compare the histories of ucla and duke without their icons to uconn and Florida without theirs
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:37 PM   #6602
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You don't know much about college basketball if you compare the histories of ucla and duke without their icons to uconn and Florida without theirs
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:53 PM   #6603
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You don't know much about college basketball if you compare the histories of ucla and duke without their icons to uconn and Florida without theirs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...etball_seasons

According to the link, Duke has been to 15 final fours since they started playing basketball in 1906. Coach K has taken them to 11 of those. They have 4 national titles, all won by Coach K. They were in the title game six other times but lost, and four of those were Coach K's.

In fact, before Coach K, they only have 8 NCAA tournament appearances. While those tourney appearances would be considered successful (a couple of national runner-ups, and the four other FF appearances)...one would hardly look at Duke's bball history and consider them a "blue blood" before Coach K arrived.

Coach K made Duke into a blue blood during this modern tourney era (which most consider from 1979-present).

So yeah, I actually do know a fair amount about college basketball.

Try using some facts before you make an argument, troll. Try to keep up.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:02 PM   #6604
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Actually, you're a moron. Before Calhoun got to Uconn in 1986 they had won 4 tourney games. Ever. Or one fewer than KU won last year alone.


Florida had been to the tourney 5 times before Donovan. 5 times.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:10 PM   #6605
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Actually, you're a moron. Before Calhoun got to Uconn in 1986 they had won 4 tourney games. Ever. Or one fewer than KU won last year alone.


Florida had been to the tourney 5 times before Donovan. 5 times.
So? That does not change the fact that Duke was not a blue blood before Coach K, which was my point. I never claimed that UCONN or Florida was anything before Calhoun or Donovan.

You obviously have reading comprehension issues.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:20 PM   #6606
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According to Sagarins all-time ratings, Duke was the 31st best program of the 1950s, #3 of the 1960s, and #14 of the 1970s. They were a very good program before K arrived. http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:30 PM   #6607
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According to Sagarins all-time ratings, Duke was the 31st best program of the 1950s, #3 of the 1960s, and #14 of the 1970s. They were a very good program before K arrived. http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
Very good is not blue blood, now is it?

Duke had one NCAA tourney appearance in the 1950's. How many did KU and UK have?

Duke's record in the 50's was 184-89...a good record...but elite blue blood? How many games did KU and UK win in the 50's. Without looking it up, I would be willing to say the records for both schools would be better..... I am pretty sure KU's is much, much better, since KU won a national title in the 50's, had the Wilt years, and had multiple final four appearances.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:41 PM   #6608
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:24 AM   #6610
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:37 AM   #6611
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:24 PM   #6612
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People are still talking about KU playing MU?


Fortunately, that talk has nearly ended for good. Although I do fear a flareup of the bitterness and demands for "saving" the rivalry after a few more bad campaigns in the SEC! are wrapped up.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:28 AM   #6613
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We talked about this in the NCAA tourney thread at one point... but a fantastic article from Pat Forde about how Louisville is dominating college sports... and how the Big 12 didn't want them. It's a long article, but some highlights:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--...233454253.html

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Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich stood in the Georgia Dome Friday afternoon, watching his Final Four Cardinals go through a light, laughter-filled open practice.

Sunday, he will be in New Orleans to watch his other Final Four Cardinals – the women's basketball team – play California. He will fly between sites as long as the Cardinals are playing.

When basketball season ends, Jurich will go home to watch his Sugar Bowl champion football team and its Heisman Trophy candidate quarterback finish spring drills in preparation of starting the 2013 season ranked in the top 10.

He will check in on a baseball team ranked anywhere from 9th to 14th, depending on the poll. The 11th-ranked softball team will merit watching, too.

Last week, Louisville had a men's swimmer win an NCAA individual championship in Indianapolis – the second straight year a Cardinal swimmer has done so.

The brag sheet goes on from there. No wonder this man is smiling.
"Obviously, it's a great year," Jurich said. "There's no way anybody could've expected all this."

The least expected accomplishment of all will become official in 2014. That's when Louisville joins the Atlantic Coast Conference.

If you dial back 17 months, that seemed inconceivable.

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"We really tried hard to get into the Big 12," Jurich said.

Jurich and president James Ramsey lobbied their peers within the league, particularly working on the kingpins at Texas and Oklahoma. Basketball coach Rick Pitino – who in his gut had no interest in coaching in Lubbock, Ames and other Big 12 locales – reached out to Bill Self at Kansas, seeking support. U.S. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, a Louisville alum and fan, put in a word with former Senate colleague David Boren, now president at Oklahoma.

And then West Virginia came almost out of nowhere to swipe the Big 12's 10th spot away from the Cardinals.

The primary selling point – as it is in all realignment issues – was football. The Mountaineers program had stayed on a consistently successful level from Rich Rodriguez to Bill Stewart to Dana Holgerson, while Louisville's had dipped in the transition from Bobby Petrino to Steve Kragthorpe. Charlie Strong was in the process of bringing the program back, but the Cardinals had slipped enough that nothing was guaranteed.

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Louisville desperately hoped the Big 12 would consider adding it in addition to West Virginia, as the league's 11th member. Jurich visited Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds in Austin in hopes of winning him over. But the league decided 10 was enough and stood pat.

Since that disappointment, everything has broken Louisville's way. Being snubbed by the Big 12 has been a godsend.

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And as it turned out, the ACC was a far better destination in terms of geography, basketball prestige and academic neighborhood. It was the greatest consolation prize in Louisville athletic history.

Meanwhile, West Virginia's first year in the Big 12 has been bumpy. The Mountaineers went 7-6 after a 5-0 start in football. The basketball team was awful, going 13-19 overall and 0-15 against the top 50 teams in the Sagarin Ratings. Women's basketball was a non-factor at 17-14.

Along the way, the school discovered that, gee, being more than 800 miles from the rest of the league is hard. In February, West Virginia requested some scheduling breaks in football and men's basketball to deal with the travel demands. Everyone saw that coming when the move was first being pondered. No one paused long enough to reconsider.

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While West Virginia was struggling, Louisville was soaring.

Strong's third Louisville football team had its breakthrough year, winning the Big East and then shocking Florida in a Sugar Bowl rout. Along the way, Strong turned down a big offer from Tennessee for a bigger raise from Jurich, establishing the Cardinals on a different level in the coaching strata.

Pitino's 12th Louisville team began the season ranked No. 2, has won more than 30 games and took the overall No. 1 seed into this tournament. The Cardinals are the team to beat this weekend in the Georgia Dome – and the coach reportedly found out Thursday he's been voted into the Hall of Fame.

Women's coach Jeff Walz has Louisville in the Final Four for the second time in the past five seasons. He's turned down other jobs to stay with the Cardinals.

So has baseball coach Dan McDonnell, who took Louisville to the 2007 College World Series.

"The ACC has solidified this thing," Jurich said. "We've turned our coaching jobs into destination jobs. There's nothing stepping-stone about it anymore."
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Old 04-06-2013, 01:34 PM   #6614
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Wow, pretty damning against the Big XII.

I remember how the talk was of getting Arkansas, Memphis, and Louisville into the Big XII after Nebraska and Colorado left. Those against it said Memphis and Louisville were "too small" to fit in the Big XII. Who are the idiots now?
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Old 04-06-2013, 01:40 PM   #6615
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Wow, pretty damning against the Big XII.

I remember how the talk was of getting Arkansas, Memphis, and Louisville into the Big XII after Nebraska and Colorado left. Those against it said Memphis and Louisville were "too small" to fit in the Big XII. Who are the idiots now?
The idiots are still mostly holed up at KU.
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