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Old 02-02-2011, 03:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 11:24 PM   #316
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:25 PM   #317
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:28 AM   #318
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:31 AM   #319
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so far, ignorance is way ahead...
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:49 AM   #320
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Is Chicago's Northwestern University School of Law "tier 1"?

Bar Raised for Law-Grad Jobs

Employment Prospects Dim as Firms Retrench, Derailing Career Paths for Many.

By NATHAN KOPPEL

Fabian Ronisky thought he was on track last summer to become a high-powered corporate lawyer. He was an intern at a leading firm in Los Angeles, earning about $3,000 weekly. But the firm didn't offer him a permanent job.

So Mr. Ronisky, a 25-year-old student at Chicago's Northwestern University School of Law, spent the fall sending 50 resumes to law firms and government agencies, to no avail. Now, just days shy of graduation and with $150,000 of student loans, he plans to move back to his parents' home in San Diego and sell music and movies online.

"I wanted to use my education," he said. "But times change."

Mr. Ronisky is one of about 40,000 law-school students who will graduate this spring and enter one of the worst job markets for attorneys in decades. This year's classes have it particularly bad, according to lawyers and industry experts. Though hiring was down last year as well, they said 2009 graduates applied for jobs before law firms had felt the full brunt of the downturn.

The situation is so bleak that some students and industry experts are rethinking the value of a law degree, long considered a ticket to financial security. If students performed well, particularly at top-tier law schools, they could count on jobs at corporate firms where annual pay starts as high as $160,000 and can top out well north of $1 million. While plenty of graduates are still set to embark on that career path, many others have had their dreams upended.

Part of the problem is supply and demand. Law-school enrollment has held steady in recent years while law firms, judges, the government and other employers have drastically cut hiring in the economic downturn.

Large corporate law firms have been hit particularly hard. The nation's 100 highest-grossing corporate firms last year reported an average revenue decline of 3.4%, the first overall drop in more than 20 years, according to the May issue of The American Lawyer magazine.

Morrison & Foerster LLP, a 1,000-lawyer San Francisco-based firm, hired about 30% fewer graduates this year than in the prior year. "It would not surprise me if all firms cut back on hiring law graduates for a couple of years," said Keith Wetmore, its chairman. Saul Ewing LLP, a 250-lawyer Philadelphia firm.

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This from someone who has yet to pay .01 in Fed taxes.

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Old 02-03-2011, 08:35 AM   #322
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I got a shiver, you freedom fighter!



Good God.
You don't understand the nature of the US Constitution TruBrit. You bring a European mind set to it.
It's a negative rights document—not a positive rights one like the Constitutions of Europe.
So it was written primarily to restrain the Federal govt. Only the legal positivists have buthered it.
Unfortunately, legal positivism is what holds sway today and that's how attorneys are trained. We're loosing our liberties over this trend with more govt control over our lives at the Federal level. The Framers just fought that kind of govt.
So that is NOT what the Framers intended. Yeah, yeah some disagreed showing most clearly in the arguments between the Federalists (like Hamilton, you and Amn's camp) and the Anti-Federalists. The final document is the resulting compromise....and they struck out the use of force if a state left.

You'd a been a Tory back or fighting in a red coat.
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America is building a head of steam preparing to go to war with itself a second time at this very moment. This is not unusual—not in America. We have already had two revolutions. You may recall the American Revolution against Great Britain and the second—the War for Southern Independence, often erroneously referred to as the American Civil War, or the War Between the States.

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America is building a head of steam preparing to go to war with itself a second time at this very moment. This is not unusual—not in America. We have already had two revolutions. You may recall the American Revolution against Great Britain and the second—the War for Southern Independence, often erroneously referred to as the American Civil War, or the War Between the States.

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This is retarded. JD Longstreet is retarded. You're retarded.

Nice troll attempt, though.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:15 PM   #325
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America is building a head of steam preparing to go to war with itself a second time at this very moment. This is not unusual—not in America. We have already had two revolutions. You may recall the American Revolution against Great Britain and the second—the War for Southern Independence, often erroneously referred to as the American Civil War, or the War Between the States.

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Well, technically America would only have 1 revolution under its belt, right?
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America is building a head of steam preparing to go to war with itself a second time at this very moment. This is not unusual—not in America. We have already had two revolutions. You may recall the American Revolution against Great Britain and the second—the War for Southern Independence, often erroneously referred to as the American Civil War, or the War Between the States.

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Holy cripes....this officially puts you at least 2 standard deviations below the average IQ.

Congrats, your feeble-mindedness is confirmed.

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Good luck with that.
ya. you can't peacefully walk away from the empire. see american revolution.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:32 PM   #328
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ya. you can't peacefully walk away from the empire. see american revolution.
Well yeah, violence is pretty much an understood consequence of seccession.
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Well yeah, violence is pretty much an understood consequence of seccession.
What will this take, about 1/1000th the time it took to wipe out Saddam's command?
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:49 PM   #330
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What will this take, about 1/1000th the time it took to wipe out Saddam's command?
Great analogy, Brick.

How about a handful of armed IRA members kept 35,000 occupying UK troops in Northern Ireland from squashing them, for decades.

How about that.

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