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Old 02-07-2018, 08:23 PM  
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Trades
QB Alex Smith to Washington for 2018 3rd round selection (78) and CB Kendall Fuller per sources.

Retirements (Else Release)
ILB Derrick Johnson
OLB Tamba Hali

If either of these guys don't hang it up, it's time for the Chiefs to finally grow a set of balls and cut them loose. Business is business. There is zero reason to keep players that don't produce well beyond their primes, and they've done that a couple years too many already.

Cuts
CB Darrelle Revis - I don't see the Chiefs picking up an 8.8 million roster bonus, especially after acquiring Kendall Fuller.
OLB Frank Zombo - Zombo has proved time and again that he's nothing but a special teams guy given that he can't get pressure on the QB.
FS Ron Parker (Designate as Post-June 1 cut) - Parker just doesn't make the plays to justify his contract. He fell to only 4 passes defensed on the season despite the Chiefs having problems at CB#2 all year.
TE Demetrius Harris - It's time for the basketball conversion experiment to end; Harris can't catch a cold.

Let Walk
DL Bennie Logan, P Dustin Colquitt, QB Tyler Bray, CB Phillip Gaines, OL Jordan Devey, DB Steven Terrell, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OL Zach Fulton, CB Kenneth Acker, ILB Ramik Wilson, CB T. Mitchell, FB Anthony Sherman

Estimated Cap Space before signings: $30 m

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DL Rakeem Nunez-Roches - RFA Original Round Tender $1.91 m
ILB Terrance Smith - ERFA Tender $630 k
CB Keith Baxter - ERFA Tender $560 k
ILB Kevin Pierre-Louis - 3 y $3.60 m $1.00 m guaranteed, 2018 ~ $1.10 m
DL Jarvis Jenkins - 2 y $2.50 m $500 k guaranteed, 2018 ~ $1.30 m
WR Albert Wilson - 4 y $14.1 m $5 m guaranteed, 2018 ~ $2.30 m

Total Cost: ~$7.8 m

Free Agents:
LG Andrew Norwell (CAR) - 5 y $60.00 m $30 m guaranteed, 2018 ~$8.50 m
One of the premier guards in the NFL, Norwell should be extremely high on the wish list for the Chiefs. With a young QB, it's best to give him as much protection as possible.
DT Justin Ellis (OAK) - 4 y $16 m $4.5 m guaranteed, 2018 ~$3.50 m
Ellis has been a spot starter for Oakland up until 2017 when he assumed full-time duties where he excelled as a run plugger. The Chiefs don't need to spend $8 m per on a base NT.
QB Austin Davis (SEA) - 2 y $2.2 m, 2018 ~ $1.00 m
Davis proved to be a capable backup but nothing more. He should be had cheap.
WR Deonte Thompson (BUF) - 2 y $2.0 m, ~ 2018 ~ $1.0 m
Thompson is a vertical threat on the field while also possessing excellent quickness. He is also a very good kick returner.
DL Quinton Dial (GB) - 1 y $790 k
Dial was an A quality NT in San Francisco when he started there for 1 season, but he has otherwise been misused. He received only spot duty on his 1-year deal in GB so he should be a cheap pick-up as a rotational player for an odd front.
TE Crockett Gillmore (BAL) - 1 y $790 k + incentives
Gilmore hasn't been able to stay healthy the past two seasons else he probably would have seen an increased role in Baltimore. When he's on the field, he's been solid. He could come fairly cheap on a 1-year prove-it deal.
OLB Jeremiah Attaochu (LAC) - 1 y $790 k + incentives
Attaochu looked like the real deal in 2015 but since then, much like Gillmore above, has been too often injured. He could also be cheap on a 1-year prove-it deal with incentives.

Total Cost: ~$ 16.4 m

Estimated Cap Space after signings: ~$5.8 M


Draft (7th round #s may be incorrect):
2 (54) - ILB Josey Jewell - Iowa (6'1" 236)
3 (78 f/WAS) - OLB Jeff Holland - Auburn (6'1" 249)
3 (86) - FS Armani Watts - Texas A&M (5'11" 191)
4 (124) - DE Andrew Brown - Virginia (6'4" 294)
5 (175* c/ Foles) - CB Taron Johnson - Weber State (5'11" 190)
6 (199) - QB Kurt Benkert - Virginia (6'3" 214)
7 (233 f/ ARZ) - TE Ben Johnson - Kansas (6'5" 245)
7 (235 f/ SEA) - FB Garrett Dickerson - Northwestern (6'2" 248)
7 (243 f/ TEN) - P Corey Bojorquez - New Mexico (6'0" 200)
*Estimate

QB: P. Mahomes, A. Davis, K. Benkert
RB: K. Hunt, S. Ware, C. West
FB: G. Dickerson
TE: T. Kelce, C. Gillmore, B. Johnson
WR: T. Hill, C. Conley, D. Robinson, A. Wilson, J. Chesson, D. Thompson
OL: E. Fisher, A. Norwell , M. Morse, L. Duvernay-Tardif, M. Schwartz, B. Witzman, C. Erving, P. Ehinger
DE: C. Jones, A. Bailey, J. Jenkins, R. Nunez-Roches, A. Brown
NT: J. Ellis, Q. Dial
OLB: J. Houston, D. Ford, J. Holland, T. Kpassagnon, J. Attaochu, D. Nicolas
ILB: J. Jewell, R. Ragland, K. Pierre-Louis, U. Eligwe, T. Smith
CB: M. Peters, K. Fuller, S. Nelson, T. Johnson, K. Baxter, A. Lampkin
DB: E. Berry, A. Watts, D. Sorensen, E. Murray, L. McQuay
ST: H. Butker, J. Winchester, C. Bojorquez
+A truckload of UDFAs and whatnot
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:45 PM   #46
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Seems like this is actually the year to look at developmental type guys: theyíre not likely to content next year so play for 19 and 20
I get what you are saying-- in theory, we don't contend in '18 as much as 2019 or 2020. But I wouldn't give up on it whatsoever.

Still a ton of really good players on the roster right now and one would assume that will only improve by camp.
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:16 PM   #47
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I get what you are saying-- in theory, we don't contend in '18 as much as 2019 or 2020. But I wouldn't give up on it whatsoever.

Still a ton of really good players on the roster right now and one would assume that will only improve by camp.
True but youíve got a first time starter at qb. Inevitably thereís gonna be some ups and downs
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:19 PM   #48
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True but you’ve got a first time starter at qb. Inevitably there’s gonna be some ups and downs
What we have to hope for is that Mahomes is more of a 2nd year guy than 1st year. And he honestly might be because he has been given the time and opportunity to learn the playbook and create some comfort within operating the offense. He will be going out there in 2018 solely focused on what the defense is presenting rather than whether or not he knows where his own guys should be or what they will be doing.

From a physical perspective, it is his first season. But from a mental perspective, I think he has a leg up.
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:21 PM   #49
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What we have to hope for is that Mahomes is more of a 2nd year guy than 1st year. And he honestly might be because he has been given the time and opportunity to learn the playbook and create some comfort within operating the offense. He will be going out there in 2018 solely focused on what the defense is presenting rather than whether or not he knows where his own guys should be or what they will be doing.

From a physical perspective, it is his first season. But from a mental perspective, I think he has a leg up.
Iíd imagine heís gonna be better off than not, but itís atill his first year starting. Just gonna be things he hasnít seen
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:39 PM   #50
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Nothing to pair up with Hill? I know Hill is amazing, but counting on Wilson, Conley, and "the rest"( actually, beyond Hill they are ALL pretty much "the rest" ), seems pretty uninspiring.

Let's look at those sweet numbers!

Hill: 75 catches, 1,183 yards, 7 TD;
Wilson: 42 catches, 554 yards, 3 TD;( extreme sadness, older than dirt, yet out-producing the youngsters minus Hill? Blech. )
Thomas: 14 catches, 143 yards, 2 TD;
Robinson: 21 catches, 212 yards,
Conley: 11 catches, 175 yards.

Under the old situation you could look at that and say, "well, that's about all you need from the WR group for a season", but that pitiful setup is dead and gone and unless all you want to do is advance the ball to its reception spot, it might be a good idea to pursue some dynamic talent to round things out opposite of Hill.
At least ONE.
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:58 PM   #51
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Albert Wilson is older than dirt? At 25?
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Jesus, I thought he was more like 35 with the way he moves.
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No wonder he keeps hanging around.
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No wonder he keeps hanging around.
Watch the Denver game with Mahomes. Dude was getting open.
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Iíd imagine heís gonna be better off than not, but itís atill his first year starting. Just gonna be things he hasnít seen
The Chiefs offense all but disappeared during their 1-6 run.

Iíd be surprised if that happened again with Mahomes.
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One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.
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The Chiefs offense all but disappeared during their 1-6 run.

Iíd be surprised if that happened again with Mahomes.
That's because Mahomes will not go into a shell at times like the offense did for stretches under Alex Smith.
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That's because Mahomes will not go into a shell at times like the offense did for stretches under Alex Smith.
It ties back to the Cowherd video I posted a month ago. What does the QB do when its the 2nd half and its time to just make some plays? The defense knows your game plan, they’ve saw the script, and the QB is going to have to just make some shit happen.
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It ties back to the Cowherd video I posted a month ago. What does the QB do when its the 2nd half and its time to just make some plays? The defense knows your game plan, theyíve saw the script, and the QB is going to have to just make some shit happen.
Thatís where Mahomes excels and Smith struggles.
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Thatís where Mahomes excels and Smith struggles.
There were a couple of games last year when Smith really showed playmaking ability that has rarely ever been seen in his career, from kickoff through the 4th quarter. New England and Houston come to my mind. The offense was so good in those particular games because they just kept attacking, and Smith kept attacking.
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Watch the Denver game with Mahomes. Dude was getting open.
I seriously thought the guy was a 27+(or greater) year-old vet that Reid had absconded with from Philly.

In any event, Wilson just had a "good year" for Wilson. And even though we weren't utilizing WR in terms of spreading the ball around very much, it's plain to see that outside of Hill there isn't much going on within that group.
Now we have a QB that allows us to have 2 or even 3 serious threats, much like Manning had in Denver the first year that they went to the SB and got demolished. And now, we don't have to rely on the TE to save the day because he's less than 10 yards from the LOS and open by a country mile.
At the very least, one more above-average talent at Receiver makes the KC offense absolutely lethal and VERY hard to defend. It's already an incredibly dynamic unit, but that last piece combined with some key upgrades on the Line make it damned near unstoppable.
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