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**BigRedChief** · 09:44 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance

Made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-16-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Lance Lynn signs for 3 years/$22 Million. Arb years buy out. I thought when a club buys out the arb years they usually get another year or two?

Bourjas and Cruz sign one year deals too.

Why can't we find a better backup than Cruz?

Lynn would likely have made more than that in arb. The Cardinals get security by protecting themselves against arb increases while building up good faith with Lynn, and Lynn gets security even if he were to Garcia himself.

**BigRedChief** · 01-19-2015, 11:46 AM

Per Ken Rosental................

Shurzer contract is 7 years 210 million... with 1/2 deferred for years 7-14...doesn't that mean they will pay him 15 million a year for the next 14 years. Including years 7-14 when he's not even playing?

kcpasco · 01-19-2015, 02:38 PM

If the Nationals don't win a W.S. with that rotation they never will.

**BigRedChief** · 02-09-2015, 03:55 PM

John Jay and the Cards sign deal buying out his final 2 years of arb.

http://www.foxsports.com/midwest/sto...rdinals-020915

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-09-2015, 06:10 PM

Mozeliak is absolutely on point to do this. You save yourself maybe a million only to strain your relationship with the player. It's penny-wise and pound foolish.

**BigRedChief** · 02-09-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mozeliak is absolutely on point to do this. You save yourself maybe a million only to strain your relationship with the player. It's penny-wise and pound foolish.

Yeah, he had no choice. The death of OT still ripples out through the Cards.

If we have OT and Miller maybe we could have traded for an upgrade at CF. Now we just have to hold our noses, cover our eyes every time he throws the ball into the infield. Don't get me wrong, if he can hit .300 his weak arm is tolerable.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-09-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yeah, he had no choice. The death of OT still ripples out through the Cards.

If we have OT and Miller maybe we could have traded for an upgrade at CF. Now we just have to hold our noses, cover our eyes every time he throws the ball into the infield. Don't get me wrong, if he can hit .300 his weak arm is tolerable.

They also have Bourjos and conceivably Grichuk to platoon w/ LHP up. Also, it's a possibility that Piscotty could show further development. Adding Heyward for what we paid is a boon, too.

In a perfect world, Taveras gives us six years of elite production in the OF, but it's also possible he could have ended up like a lot of overhyped prospects that under produce at the big league level (Mike Moustakas). We'll never know. By getting Heyward this year, at least we know that we are likely to get elite production from what was the worst part of our team in '14.

**BigRedChief** · 02-09-2015, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

In a perfect world, Taveras gives us six years of elite production in the OF, but it's also possible he could have ended up like a lot of overhyped prospects that under produce at the big league level (Mike Moustakas). We'll never know.

Thats the part that sucks. The missed chance to see greatness develop. But, like you said nothing is a lock. He could have been Rasmus II.

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By getting Heyward this year, at least we know that we are likely to get elite production from what was the worst part of our team in '14.

I think we only have a 2 year window so I'm all for getting the rental. The Cards have done a good job of signing their rentals that perform and letting the under performers walk. We will see if Heyward steps it up this year.

Mi_chief_fan · 02-10-2015, 06:20 AM

I know that Heyward is an upgrade in RF, especially defensively, but I just don't view him as "elite." He can't hit left handers at all.

**BigRedChief** · 02-10-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan

I know that Heyward is an upgrade in RF, especially defensively, but I just don't view him as "elite." He can't hit left handers at all.

Well we could pinch hit in the 7th and put Bourjas out there for defense.

Jewish Rabbi · 02-10-2015, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Well we could pinch hit in the 7th and put Bourjas out there for defense.

That wouldn't be a defensive upgrade. Heyward is the best RF in the game.

**BigRedChief** · 02-10-2015, 08:21 AM

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That wouldn't be a defensive upgrade. Heyward is the best RF in the game.

Bourjas is a good defender. We can't keep a .200 hitter against a LH in the lineup all season.

**BigRedChief** · 02-18-2015, 10:13 PM

Bob Nightengale has a big article on USA Today that a Hamels to St. Louis deal only gets done if Martinez is part of the deal. Hamel's wife is from Jefferson City and graduated from Drury in Springfield. Hamels isn't quoted in the article as saying he loves St. Louis.

It looks like Martinez is going to blossom this year. Why make the trade.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-18-2015, 10:39 PM

It's a roll of the dice: a known commodity with a high price tag for a prospect with an elite ceiling and considerable bust potential.

I don't think I'd do it, because I worry about all the innings on Hamels' arm.

bdj23 · 02-19-2015, 11:45 AM

Well, today is the day. I know it's early, but the 2015 season starts now!

Can't wait to bitch about John Jay and Matheny with y'all for another summer.

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01-19-2015, 11:46 AM	#77
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	Per Ken Rosental................ Shurzer contract is 7 years 210 million... with 1/2 deferred for years 7-14...doesn't that mean they will pay him 15 million a year for the next 14 years. Including years 7-14 when he's not even playing? __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7733463	If the Nationals don't win a W.S. with that rotation they never will.
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02-09-2015, 03:55 PM	#79
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	John Jay and the Cards sign deal buying out his final 2 years of arb. http://www.foxsports.com/midwest/sto...rdinals-020915 __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Mozeliak is absolutely on point to do this. You save yourself maybe a million only to strain your relationship with the player. It's penny-wise and pound foolish.
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Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	I know that Heyward is an upgrade in RF, especially defensively, but I just don't view him as "elite." He can't hit left handers at all. __________________ Bandwagon Predators Fan!
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02-18-2015, 10:13 PM	#88
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	Bob Nightengale has a big article on USA Today that a Hamels to St. Louis deal only gets done if Martinez is part of the deal. Hamel's wife is from Jefferson City and graduated from Drury in Springfield. Hamels isn't quoted in the article as saying he loves St. Louis. It looks like Martinez is going to blossom this year. Why make the trade. __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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02-18-2015, 10:39 PM	#89
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	It's a roll of the dice: a known commodity with a high price tag for a prospect with an elite ceiling and considerable bust potential. I don't think I'd do it, because I worry about all the innings on Hamels' arm.
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02-19-2015, 11:45 AM	#90
bdj23 In my youth i pray to keep Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Clown World Casino cash: $2749850	Well, today is the day. I know it's early, but the 2015 season starts now! Can't wait to bitch about John Jay and Matheny with y'all for another summer.
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