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Old 08-28-2015, 11:40 AM  
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To all the "THIS OL SUCKS WAAAH" folks:
I have a question that not one of you has answered for me except for Saccopoo, and he doesn't share your opinion on how the OL will perform this year.

What the hell was Dorsey supposed to do?

No, don't ****ing say, "They should have drafted OL like the Cowboys do!" That takes years.

Imagine you're Dorsey. The 2014 season has ended. You view the OL as crucially important like you do.

What moves are you going to make that will RESPONSIBLY improve the offensive line to your satisfaction?
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:20 PM   #31
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To the OP, the only realistic answer was to sign Mathis. Other than that Drafting morse, and trading for Grubbs were absolutely the right moves. Nothing else could of been done. I don't know how it's going to work out, but getting Grubbs was absolutely perfect. People are going to be amazed at how much better fisher will look with him beside Grubbs.
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:20 PM   #32
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I remember reading about it after the draft. I think he made something like $1.5 million for three years as an UDFA but it was all guaranteed. I can't remember the particulars, but it seemed a much more favorable position than actually being drafted in the 6th, 7th rounds.
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But he signed as an UFA? I don't really understand how that works... don't you make less signing as an UFA than you do a 7th round pick?

Typically yes. He actually got quite a bit more, and got to choose where he wanted to go. Which after not getting drafted was the appeal.
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:22 PM   #34
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That's not an opinion. That's fact. He would not of signed as a 7th rounder.
That's a hypothetical, not a fact
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I remember reading about it after the draft. I think he made something like $1.5 million for three years as an UDFA but it was all guaranteed. I can't remember the particulars, but it seemed a much more favorable position than actually being drafted in the 6th, 7th rounds.

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But he signed as an UFA? I don't really understand how that works... don't you make less signing as an UFA than you do a 7th round pick?
He got to pick his team.
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Typically yes. He actually got quite a bit more, and got to choose where he wanted to go. Which after not getting drafted was the appeal.
interesting... Is that done often? Do guys that expect to go higher threaten to not sign if they slide and then take their chances in free agency? Seems like more guys would do this and the NFL would take steps to prevent it.
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Draft La'el Collins. It was absolutely worth the gamble. His name gets cleared, and you hit a home run. He gets indicted, and oh noes you lost yourself a seventh round pick.
This really was maddening.
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That's a hypothetical, not a fact

No, it's as close to a fact as you can make. He would of lost money by signing. He could of sat out the year and been drafted no lower than the 3rd round next year.

Yes, your point is valid, there is no guarantee he wouldn't of signed but if someone thought he was bluffing like the pats, Seahawks, or even Cowboys, they would of drafted him.
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interesting... Is that done often? Do guys that expect to go higher threaten to not sign if they slide and then take their chances in free agency? Seems like more guys would do this and the NFL would take steps to prevent it.

I've personally never heard of. Of course I don't remember a first round projected pick being involved Ina murder investigation during draft week. I have heard of players that are fringe draft players having their agents request not to be drafted so the can go as an udfa to a team that gives them the best chance to make a team.
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He wasn't going to sign with a team that drafted him with a 7th, IMO. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems unlikely.
After the draft, His agent admitted it was a bluff.
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After the draft, His agent admitted it was a bluff.

Really? That seems like a pretty stupid move by an agent.
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There were a bunch of quality offensive lineman available in free agency, Iupati, Michael Oher, Orlando Franklin, Doug Free, Rodney Hudson, Brian Bulaga, Wisniewski, Evan Mathis...

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I remember reading about it after the draft. I think he made something like $1.5 million for three years as an UDFA but it was all guaranteed. I can't remember the particulars, but it seemed a much more favorable position than actually being drafted in the 6th, 7th rounds.
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He got to pick his team.
Ah, yes. This was one of the factors that played into it being a more favorable situation, especially for a guy with Collins' talent. He wasn't fighting for a roster spot like other UDFAs.

Instead of being drafted into a potential bad situation (shitty team, wrong scheme, etc.), he got to choose his landing spot. For him, he couldn't have ended up in a better position than a team like the Cowboys. He'll be playing alongside four studs, blocking for a stud QB, getting tons of media exposure, and will likely challenge for a division title at the least.

He should really have a great opportunity to maximize his earning potential on his second contract.
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No, it's as close to a fact as you can make. He would of lost money by signing. He could of sat out the year and been drafted no lower than the 3rd round next year.

Yes, your point is valid, there is no guarantee he wouldn't of signed but if someone thought he was bluffing like the pats, Seahawks, or even Cowboys, they would of drafted him.
It isn't close to a fact. It's an individual's decision that can very easily change.
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