Alex Fodder

[Meatloaf]

Saw this on CBS Sports. Some unsurprising charts included....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ore-frequently

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You'll never get an answer that satisfies the criteria in your head...

doesn't sound that way, no. Even if to accept the few elites, Rivers being a top 7 QB, and Wilson... the list still is short. Just don't seem to be many non-elite QBs that excel with both bottom tier WRs and OLs. So why should Alex be expected to? Only now can we say that Smith is being paid top dollar vs the cap.. and only now can we say the pass options are above bottom tier.

That still leave the OL tier to be determined.

Now, I'd say he does have enough promising pass weapons for a better year.. but OL? impossible to say. I am guessing the OL does crawl out from bottom 10. So if they do and Smith still plays too much small ball that is ineffective? yes, I too will be disappointed.. and will share in the QB frustration.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Allen and Floyd are not great receiving weapons.

The words we use are important. No, I am not calling Rivers' pass weapons great.. and interesting that you left Gates out of the equation... but again, we are talking about bottom tier... not good... not "great." His pass options are at least better than bottom tier, imho.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Andrew Luck has played with some horrible surrounding talent. At times his offensive line has been bad, their running game is atrocious, and he's basically had a 54 year old Reggie Wayne and an ascending TY Hilton on the perimeter.

a 54 yr old Wayne was better than any WR that the Chiefs have fielded lately. I think most would agree that an old Wayne would have been a better pairing for Alex than Bowe.. though not by miles. Hilton is a larger asset in the pass game than all of the WR pass weapons that KC has had in the last 2 years. Even "pure" Chiefs fans stated that they would trade every single WR on their roster for one Hilton. Ether way... again, we are talking about Luck.. who most would label a QB God in the making.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

doesn't sound that way, no. Even if to accept the few elites, Rivers being a top 7 QB, and Wilson... the list still is short. Just don't seem to be many non-elite QBs that excel with both bottom tier WRs and OLs. So why should Alex be expected to? Only now can we say that Smith is being paid top dollar vs the cap.. and only now can we say the pass options are above bottom tier.

That still leave the OL tier to be determined.

Now, I'd say he does have enough promising pass weapons for a better year.. but OL? impossible to say. I am guessing the OL does crawl out from bottom 10. So if they do and Smith still plays too much small ball that is ineffective? yes, I too will be disappointed.. and will share in the QB frustration.



The words we use are important. No, I am not calling Rivers' pass weapons great.. and interesting that you left Gates out of the equation... but again, we are talking about bottom tier... not good... not "great." His pass options are at least better than bottom tier, imho.



a 54 yr old Wayne was better than any WR that the Chiefs have fielded lately. I think most would agree that an old Wayne would have been a better pairing for Alex than Bowe.. though not by miles. Hilton is a larger asset in the pass game than all of the WR pass weapons that KC has had in the last 2 years. Even "pure" Chiefs fans stated that they would trade every single WR on their roster for one Hilton. Ether way... again, we are talking about Luck.. who most would label a QB God in the making.

I left Gates out because you initially asked for a QB that excelled with shit OL and "deep weapons". Not to mention the fact that Alex has had Vernon Davis and Travis Kelce at TE for most of the past 4 seasons. I'd take both of those guys up there with Gates so it's a wash.

Even still, you're going to keep making excuses as you always do. Once again, how much of a WR's production can we attribute to his QB? Alex has had some talent at the WR position recently. Oh, but Michael Crabtree was lazy. Bowe was lazy. Moss was old. Manningham was hurt. Avery was never good... Any QB worth his salt could make due with those guys while boasting a top 5 ground game and top 5 TE talent as well.

[ThaVirus]

Reggie Wayne is 46 years old. In 15 starts with Andrew Luck throwing him passes in an aerial offense, he posted 779 yards and 2 TDs. He's 6' and shy of 200 lbs so you know he isn't going to be winning contested jump balls that Alex doesn't throw. At 62 years of age he's probably not even as fast as Bowe currently.

If he were in KC last year he'd have posted something dismal like 400 yards and probably 0 TDs.

[rico]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's funny, people think Alex is a good QB simply because he doesn't turn the ball over often.

Sadly, I think most of his detractors would accept more turnovers if it meant more yards and TDs. But that's not likely.

This is EXACTLY the type of defense that allows a QB to be aggressive. Throw an INT? No worries, we have your back. Can't imagine too many people would complain if he doubled his TDs and INTs.

But, but the main reathon the defenthe ith tho good ith becauthe Alekth giveth them a chanthe to retht!!!!!!!

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Even still, you're going to keep making excuses as you always do.

That's fine. The point was, I asked if anyone could name some non-QBs that have excelled with bottom tier OLs and WRs.

You and others managed to come up with Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, Luck.. and Wilson. 3 are clearly elite.. one is borderline elite.. Luck is Luck.. and Wilson puts up similar production to Smith, but yes.. does chuck it up deep more often.

Great job!

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

That's fine. The point was, I asked if anyone could name some non-QBs that have excelled with bottom tier OLs and WRs.

You and others managed to come up with Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, Luck.. and Wilson. 3 are clearly elite.. one is borderline elite.. Luck is Luck.. and Wilson puts up similar production to Smith, but yes.. does chuck it up deep more often.

Great job!

It's not fine. It's ****ing annoying. I just provided you with more than a handful of names that find ways to excel despite subpar line play and receiving weapons. You continue to make excuses..

"Well......... THOSE GUYS ARE ALL GOOD!" No ****ing shit.

[ThaVirus]

You could probably add Cam Newton to the list as well.

[ViperVisor]

Rivers has had 31 total drops the last 2 seasons.

KC 31 and 29 the last 2.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

In a 10 year career, Alex Smith has thrown 42 completions of 40+ yards.

In 3 years, Russell Wilson has 29.

Do you think its his dreamy eyes? It has to be. No other rational explanation.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.

Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?

It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.

You asked for any that did it then take two in this post and make an excuse why they don't count?

No wonder no one replied

[rico]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Do you think its his dreamy eyes? It has to be. No other rational explanattion.

I seriously do think some of these ASsexuals have crushes on him.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.

Or they wanted the threat of a deep ball to loosen up the defense a little


Edit: I see sensible people already stated this

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Do you think its his dreamy eyes? It has to be. No other rational explanation.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

It's not fine. It's ****ing annoying. I just provided you with more than a handful of names that find ways to excel despite subpar line play and receiving weapons. You continue to make excuses..

"Well......... THOSE GUYS ARE ALL GOOD!" No ****ing shit.

Originally Posted by rico

I seriously do think some of these ASsexuals have crushes on him.

Hence, reasons why Alex only fans will never be taken seriously.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Or they wanted the threat of a deep ball to loosen up the defense a little


Edit: I see sensible people already stated this

WRs do this.
Or do teams only draft WRs high in the draft for fun? No you dimwits. It's that consistent mismatch they are looking to acquire at the WR position.



There isn't a shortage of mediocre/bad QBs who chuck it deep.
And those guys really benefited from showing teams they would let it loose. There is a lot of scoring in those QBs lead offenses right? I mean that is a huge part of NFL passing?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I have some argument with Hootie over him, but I have to admit the kid is clutch. Something Alex is not.

This may be my biggest issue with Alex at QB.

First of all, I've never been one to be wowed by yardage stats. I couldn't give two shits less if Alex throws for 220 ypg. What I care about is whether or not he makes clutch plays when necessary. Thus far, he's been the polar ****ing opposite of clutch.

What's worse is the fact that a guy with his play style absolutely needs to be clutch. He won't light up the scoreboard but his risk aversion will likely keep us within 7 points near the end of most games. The difference between making those plays and not making those plays in crunch time is Russell Wilson and Alex Smith. It's the difference between wins and losses. It's the difference between Super Bowls and first round playoff exits.