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Old 04-14-2017, 07:49 PM  
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****Official 2017 NBA Playoffs Thread****

The real season begins.

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Bulls @ #1 Celtics
#7 Pacers @ #2 Cavs
#6 Bucks @ #3 Raptors
#5 Hawks @ #4 Wizards

WEST:
#8 Blazers @ #1 Warriors
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Spurs
#6 Thunder @ #3 Rockets
#5 Jazz @ #4 Clippers
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:09 PM   #916
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35. I loved MJ when I was younger, but as time has gone by and LeBron continues to pass MJ, there really is no sound rational argument that isn't based on sentiment or emotion.
Jordan dominated his era. He threepeated twice (most likely would have been 8 straight if he hadn't retired). He was the man to beat for an entire decade.

Lebron hasn't dominated his era. He's not even above .500 in finals appearances. The 3 teams he beat, 2 of them either beat him the year before or year after
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:12 PM   #917
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35. I loved MJ when I was younger, but as time has gone by and LeBron continues to pass MJ, there really is no sound rational argument that isn't based on sentiment or emotion.
I guess if you live in Ohio you have to grasp at something.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:13 PM   #918
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Jordan dominated his era. He threepeated twice (most likely would have been 8 straight if he hadn't retired). He was the man to beat for an entire decade.

Lebron hasn't dominated his era. He's not even above .500 in finals appearances. The 3 teams he beat, 2 of them either beat him the year before or year after
Jordan also played when they played defense and there were more than 2 good teams.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:18 PM   #919
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Jordan also played when they played defense and there were more than 2 good teams.
Absolutely.

Think about how many hall of famers Jordan denied rings: Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Payton and the list goes on and on.

Just pure dominance
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:18 PM   #920
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LeBron just passed Jordan.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:19 PM   #921
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MJ is the most successful but he was not the force James is. Scoring, assists and rebounds James is the best ever. No one player has ever been this good at all three.

Jordan was a killer but James beats teams in more ways on both ends of the floor.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:21 PM   #922
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I guess if you live in Ohio you have to grasp at something.
I lived in Colorado for 13 years. I would definitely rather live out there. Sorry you feel you have to resort to insults because LeBron is passing your idol. Have a great remainder of your day.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:22 PM   #923
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Jordan never beat a team as good as the Warrior team LeBron beat last year.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:24 PM   #924
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Jordan never beat a team as good as the Warrior team LeBron beat last year.

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Old 05-25-2017, 08:28 PM   #925
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John Stockton?

Really bro
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:30 PM   #926
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John Stockton?

Really bro
He's only the all-time leader in assists and steals
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:36 PM   #927
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He's only the all-time leader in assists and steals
All time top three though... that is bull shit

There are 4 guys playing point guard now way better than him.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:44 PM   #928
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John Stockton?

Really bro
Well there was Malone and also Hornacek. I don't watch much NBA anymore, so I can't debate how well they stack up to the Warriors of last year. But that Utah team in 98 WAS a pretty damn good team.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:47 PM   #929
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All time top three though... that is bull shit

There are 4 guys playing point guard now way better than him.
I'm not rehashing the argument for the 100th time, but where these Jordan/LeBron arguments go haywire is you guys way, way underrate the guys Jordan played against. I agree the talent level in the league now is absolutely better... but people try to act like Jordan played against no one, some of these HOF guys, Stockton, Drexler, Malone, were legit greats who never won a title because of Jordan.

John Stockton is in the discussion for best PG of all time. All time legend. You put him out there today with no hand check and it would be something. You couldn't even stop the pick and roll against him in the old days, you put him out there now and he'd brutalize you.

Gary Payton, who is one of the best defensive guards ever, is on record saying that John Stockton was the most difficult player he ever had to guard. Even harder than Michael Jordan.
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That '98 Jazz team was not that good. In fact, neither was the '97 Jazz team either.

The West was weak at that point. It was before Shaq and Kobe established themselves, before Duncan matured, after Robinson, Hakeem, and Barkley's primes.

The best team the Bulls played in the Finals was the '93 Suns.
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