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Trump: “We have to do something” about violent video games, movies

Trump: “We have to do something” about violent video games, movies

SAM MACHKOVECH - 2/22/2018, 2:12 PM


In a White House meeting held with lawmakers on the theme of school safety, President Donald Trump offered both a direct and vague call to action against violence in media by calling out video games and movies.

"We have to do something about what [kids are] seeing and how they're seeing it," Trump said during the meeting. "And also video games. I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is shaping more and more people's thoughts."

Trump followed this statement by referencing "movies [that] come out that are so violent with the killing and everything else." He made a suggestion for keeping children from watching violent films: "Maybe they have to put a rating system for that." The MPAA's ratings board began adding specific disclaimers about sexual, drug, and violent content in all rated films in the year 2000, which can be found in small text in every MPAA rating box.

The White House meeting also placed blame for last week's tragic school shooting in Parkland, Florida, on factors such as a lack of "mental institutions" in the United States and marked gun-free zones. "When they see 'this is a gun-free zone,' that means that nobody has a gun except them," Trump said. "Nobody is going to be shooting in the other direction. And they see that as such a beautiful target. They live for gun-free zones."

Trump did not acknowledge recommendations for bans on assault-style weapons during the meeting. He instead used Twitter to recommend raising a minimum gun-buying age to 21 years and ending the sale of assault-rifle bump stocks.

CNN reached out to an unnamed 17-year-old Parkland High School student following Trump's remarks. When asked about the president's statement, the student replied, "That's just a really pathetic excuse on behalf of the president. I grew up playing video games, Call of Duty, all those first-person shooting games. I would never dream of taking the lives of any of my peers."

The news follows similar statements offered by Kentucky governor Matt Bevin (R) last week in the wake of the Parkland High School shooting. "There are games that literally replicate and give people the ability to score points for doing the very same thing that these students are doing inside of schools, where you get extra points for finishing someone off who's lying there begging for their life," Bevin said in the interview.

Kyle Orland's Ars report on the Bevin statement sums up a recent history of inconsistent and inconclusive studies about violent gaming's impact on young minds. Orland also digs into the modern history of politicians blaming or questioning violent video games' role and influence in shooting tragedies. Among those asking questions was President Barack Obama, who asked Congress in 2013 to "fund research into the effects that violent video games have on young minds." His 2013 call was part of a wider request to end the federal government's freeze on gun-violence research. Trump has yet to issue a statement about that ongoing bureaucratic freeze, which has essentially stymied gun-violence research since the passage of the Dickey amendment in 1996.

Trump previously used Twitter to place blame for a school shooting on violent media, saying days after the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012, "Video game violence & glorification must be stopped—it is creating monsters!"

Trump himself was the star of a financial sim game, Donald Trump's Real Estate Tycoon, in 2002, but the only violent reactions it provoked came from critics.



https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/...-games-movies/
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:46 PM   #106
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:46 PM   #107
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Japan has the most extreme of a lot of things (wrestling, games, porn, etc.) and their society has a fraction of the violent crime that we have. If what these idiots say about video games and movies is correct, Japan would have no population because everyone would have killed each other already.
There are more things that play into it than "Just Video Games and Movies". But to just deny off hand that it has no bearing on the problem of violence in America is foolish.

P.S. You'll find most homogeneous societies have very low crime rates.
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If violence has decreased, why are we having this conversation?
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:48 PM   #109
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Ah yes, the old "it was different in my generation because of (insert lame ass excuse)".

Do you have any data that supports your claims? What % of children are on psychotropics today vs 20 years ago?

How many of these mass shooters in the last 10 years were on these drugs?

Can you prove to me the correlation? Or at least offer some sort of argument that supports your grandstanding?
Not that facts bother you too much, but sure... Even Stephen Paddock was one of these cases...

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So i've heard. My grandfather, god bless him, would get into these moral high ground conversations with me when i was a kid. Telling me about how things use to be different....

I never talked back, but i always thought to myself, "Didn't you run away at age 14 from an abusive alcoholic father, and then lied about your age to join the Marines?"

"Aren't you the guy who put my dad through a coffee table when he was 16 because you found him with a sack of weed?"

"Aren't you the guys who once caught my teenage father with a cigarette so you forced him to sit down and chain smoke an entire pack as his punishment?"

"Didn't you guys tell me about how you use to put alcohol in my dad's bottle to help him sleep as a baby?"

So yeah....whenever elders talk about how life use to be so morally better back then, i can't help put roll my eyes. I don't know about this America they're talking about, and they sure as **** haven't given me any good examples.

....ok personal venting over....
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So i've heard. My grandfather, god bless him, would get into these moral high ground conversations with me when i was a kid. Telling me about how things use to be different....

I never talked back, but i always thought to myself, "Didn't you run away at age 14 from an abusive alcoholic father, and then lied about your age to join the Marines?"

"Aren't you the guy who put my dad through a coffee table when he was 16 because you found him with a sack of weed?"

"Aren't you the guys who once caught my teenage father with a cigarette so you forced him to sit down and chain smoke an entire pack as his punishment?"

"Didn't you guys tell me about how you use to put alcohol in my dad's bottle to help him sleep as a baby?"

So yeah....whenever elders talk about how life use to be so morally better back then, i can't help put roll my eyes. I don't know about this America they're talking about, and they sure as **** haven't given me any good examples.

....ok personal venting over....
Yeah, America has always been ****ed in some families.
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Not that facts bother you too much, but sure... Even Stephen Paddock was one of these cases...

Would ya look at that, TJ actually presented something beyond his normal stupidity. How refreshing. Thank you. My question was an honest question. I'll read your link.
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So then ya know what i mean. So when my grandparents would tell me about how America is going down the shitter blah blah blah, I always thought to myself, "well, you guys are the ones who ****ed up my dad, who is in turn ****ing my life up. Doesn't sound like it was much better to me...."
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So then ya know what i mean.
Yeah but I don't think those are all "Morally Wrong"

Most of those can be justified by the means of the day. Now the physical violence is hard to justify morally. But the Alcohol in the bottle isn't, my dad was born in IOWA.... It wasn't like my grandma could just go get "Gripe Water"
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Not that facts bother you too much, but sure... Even Stephen Paddock was one of these cases...

Very interesting and I appreciate the link, TJ. I'll have to read it again more thoroughly.

It still begs the question however if the people taking these meds are predisposed to being psychotic, hence the prescription. I'd have to read the actual studies to see how they came to their conclusions.
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So then ya know what i mean. So when my grandparents would tell me about how America is going down the shitter blah blah blah, I always thought to myself, "well, you guys are the ones who ****ed up my dad, who is in turn ****ing my life up. Doesn't sound like it was much better to me...."
As much as it pains me to say this, and I want you to know I'm trying to say this from a place of compassion and understanding.

Your dad didn't **** your life up, I'm willing to bet you have a good job and you function fine. If you have had problems with drug/law it was all your own doing.

I'm sorry but I have a little sister that claims she "So ****ed Up" because my older sister is perpetual drug addict living at home with her two kids. And it drives me insane, we are master of our own universe.
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