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Old 02-22-2018, 03:38 PM  
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Trump: “We have to do something” about violent video games, movies

Trump: “We have to do something” about violent video games, movies

SAM MACHKOVECH - 2/22/2018, 2:12 PM


In a White House meeting held with lawmakers on the theme of school safety, President Donald Trump offered both a direct and vague call to action against violence in media by calling out video games and movies.

"We have to do something about what [kids are] seeing and how they're seeing it," Trump said during the meeting. "And also video games. I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is shaping more and more people's thoughts."

Trump followed this statement by referencing "movies [that] come out that are so violent with the killing and everything else." He made a suggestion for keeping children from watching violent films: "Maybe they have to put a rating system for that." The MPAA's ratings board began adding specific disclaimers about sexual, drug, and violent content in all rated films in the year 2000, which can be found in small text in every MPAA rating box.

The White House meeting also placed blame for last week's tragic school shooting in Parkland, Florida, on factors such as a lack of "mental institutions" in the United States and marked gun-free zones. "When they see 'this is a gun-free zone,' that means that nobody has a gun except them," Trump said. "Nobody is going to be shooting in the other direction. And they see that as such a beautiful target. They live for gun-free zones."

Trump did not acknowledge recommendations for bans on assault-style weapons during the meeting. He instead used Twitter to recommend raising a minimum gun-buying age to 21 years and ending the sale of assault-rifle bump stocks.

CNN reached out to an unnamed 17-year-old Parkland High School student following Trump's remarks. When asked about the president's statement, the student replied, "That's just a really pathetic excuse on behalf of the president. I grew up playing video games, Call of Duty, all those first-person shooting games. I would never dream of taking the lives of any of my peers."

The news follows similar statements offered by Kentucky governor Matt Bevin (R) last week in the wake of the Parkland High School shooting. "There are games that literally replicate and give people the ability to score points for doing the very same thing that these students are doing inside of schools, where you get extra points for finishing someone off who's lying there begging for their life," Bevin said in the interview.

Kyle Orland's Ars report on the Bevin statement sums up a recent history of inconsistent and inconclusive studies about violent gaming's impact on young minds. Orland also digs into the modern history of politicians blaming or questioning violent video games' role and influence in shooting tragedies. Among those asking questions was President Barack Obama, who asked Congress in 2013 to "fund research into the effects that violent video games have on young minds." His 2013 call was part of a wider request to end the federal government's freeze on gun-violence research. Trump has yet to issue a statement about that ongoing bureaucratic freeze, which has essentially stymied gun-violence research since the passage of the Dickey amendment in 1996.

Trump previously used Twitter to place blame for a school shooting on violent media, saying days after the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012, "Video game violence & glorification must be stopped—it is creating monsters!"

Trump himself was the star of a financial sim game, Donald Trump's Real Estate Tycoon, in 2002, but the only violent reactions it provoked came from critics.



https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/...-games-movies/
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:24 PM   #76
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I remember when this happened:Note the quote from the video gamer at the end.

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – A lawsuit claims the video game "Grand Theft Auto (search)" led a teenager to shoot two police officers and a dispatcher to death in 2003, mirroring violent acts depicted in the popular game.

The suit announced Tuesday seeks damages from the game's manufacturers and two stores that allegedly sold it to Devin Thompson (search), now 18.

An attorney for relatives of two of the victims said Thompson, who is charged with murder, had played the video game repeatedly.

Thompson is accused of killing the three men in June 2003 after being brought to the Fayette police station on suspicion of driving a stolen car. Thompson allegedly grabbed one of the officer's guns, shot him and the other two, then fled in a patrol car.

The suit alleges Thompson purchased "Grand Theft Auto III" at the Gamestop (search) in Jasper and "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" at the Jasper Wal-Mart when he was under 17. The games, which depict police killings and other acts of violence, are rated M, meaning they are appropriate for those 17 or older.

"What has happened in Alabama is that four companies participated in the training of Devin ... to kill three men," attorney Jack Thompson told The Tuscaloosa News, which reported the suit's filing.

Named in the suit are Wal-Mart Stores (search) and Gamestop along with Take-Two Interactive Software, the manufacturer of the games, and Sony Computer Entertainment, the maker of the PlayStation 2.

Messages left for officials of three of the companies were not immediately returned. There was no answer at the listing for Gamestop in Grapevine, Texas.

At a December hearing, authorities said Devin Thompson, when he was apprehended, told officers, "Life is a video game. You've got to die sometime."
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:24 PM   #77
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I thought there was solid science that showed Prozac had some serious bad side effects. You say no?
SSRI meds like prozac and zoloft have black box warnings that say children/teens that take them have an increased risk of suicidal ideation
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:24 PM   #78
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He is right. But our society has none of the values it once had. With no moral compass where will the country end up?
So you are okay with putting additional restrictions on the First Amendment, but not on the Second Amendment?

You can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution you want to defend.
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:27 PM   #79
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You guys are literally denying that Video Games/Movies have not had a desensitizing effect on society?
Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Expression... i.e. the First Amendment.

Seems rather socialist of you to try to impose additional controls/restrictions on constitutional rights.
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:29 PM   #80
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Detoxing let me tell you from expeirence I have two sisters (4 in total) who are Bi-Polar among other things.

And I've had to through out the years either save themselves from themselves or others. And alot of the problems stem from the Anti-Depressants they are on. Dosage, regiment, etc...

You add alcohol into the mix and its like a bomb ready to go off.

Now I say all that to say that, yes alot of Anti-Depressants have phycotrophic compound in them.
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Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Expression... i.e. the First Amendment.

Seems rather socialist of you to try to impose additional controls/restrictions on constitutional rights.
"Socialist" is the wrong word, IMHO, but I agree with your broader point.
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Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Expression... i.e. the First Amendment.

Seems rather socialist of you to try to impose additional controls/restrictions on constitutional rights.
I'm not trying to, or have I argued for such.
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So you are okay with putting additional restrictions on the First Amendment, but not on the Second Amendment?

You can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution you want to defend.
Both major parties, and most Americans, do just that.
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Detoxing let me tell you from expeirence I have two sisters (4 in total) who are Bi-Polar among other things.

And I've had to through out the years either save themselves from themselves or others. And alot of the problems stem from the Anti-Depressants they are on. Dosage, regiment, etc...
I'm sorry to hear that. But my initial reaction is that their emotion is based off other triggers, not the medication. Likely, the same triggers that caused them to be medicated in the first place.
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So you do understand its been strongly linked to suicidal behavior as well as violence?
The problem with that theory is that people that are prescribed those medications are prescribed because they're already suffering from severe depression.

So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

You don't get prescribed Prozac because you're loving life.
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I'm sorry to hear that. But my initial reaction is that their emotion is based off other triggers, not the medication. Likely, the same triggers that caused them to be medicated in the first place.
The triggers yes, the escalation no. Like I pointed out with Porn, do you think women in the 1940's were even doing half the shit they are today.

I'm trying to make the point that media has had an effect on society and Video Game can too.

To what degree, how big a part of puzzle is it.... Well I don't know, but I also don't think it should be dismissed off hand like it couldn't possibly be a factor.
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I'm trying to make the point that media has had an effect on society and Video Game can too.

To what degree, how big a part of puzzle is it.... Well I don't know, but I also don't think it should be dismissed off hand like it couldn't possibly be a factor.
Ok. Fair enough.
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The problem with that theory is that people that are prescribed those medications are prescribed because they're already suffering from severe depression.

So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

You don't get prescribed Prozac because you're loving life.
No, but it's not so cut in dry either. Kids get prescribed ADHD meds because they are hyper FFS.
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Addressing the different countries, there's a number of different variables; the percentage of kids playing video games (numbers as high as 96%) in the US. Not all are violent of course but the biggest sellers are...and kids eventually graduate to those more violent games. Also the expense...games are expensive and per capita the US has the highest rate perhaps because of the standard of living. Also, many other countries where these games are popular don't have the second amendment and access to guns is more prohibitive for the most part. So kids acting out violently elsewhere is less likely just by the numbers. I could argue that most of these kids who kill played said games...but the point would be made that they drank milk too.
If nearly every kid plays video games, then that would support the idea that they don't cause violence. Since video game use has increased, violence has actually decreased.
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