Poop Let's talk about "true fans" - Page 18

**DaFace** · 09:37 AM

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

Discus.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-02-2013, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

CP consciousness?

You're a delusional twat.

Yes. It's kind of like the Borg, but with no hot chicks in tight suits to show off their super-fine Borg-asses.

MIRACLES.

**BossChief** · 08-02-2013, 11:12 PM

What a sad conversation.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-02-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

What a sad conversation.

Very.

Either you're a fan of this team, or you're not. Hoping they lose or that the QB sucks, etc., just to be proven "right", is not what I describe as fandom.

ROR has admitted to not even being Chiefs fan in the past, which makes him a troll.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-02-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

What a sad conversation.

**BossChief** · 08-02-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Very.

Either you're a fan of this team, or you're not. Hoping they lose or that the QB sucks, etc., just to be proven "right", is not what I describe as fandom.

ROR has admitted to not even being Chiefs fan in the past, which makes him a troll.

I am approaching the Alex Smith scenario the exact same way as I approached the Cassel trade.

I'd love to see it work out, but I just don't see it happening.

Not sure if you were implying that I want this team and Alex Smith to fail, but I don't.

I just think he will fail.

The trade wasn't made in a vacuum, the ultimate goal is to win it all and I just think the trade extended this teams reign of ineptness. I see a team that could run with any team in the league if the QB position was equal and that this team has no interest in that happening.

I truly hope I'm wrong this time.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-02-2013, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Very.

ROR has admitted to not even being Chiefs fan in the past, which makes him a troll.

Hmm, let's dissect this piece by arrogant piece, shall we?

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Douche McCloud says:

Either you're a fan of this team, or you're not.

Hey Douche?

**** YOU. You.....do NOT....get to define my fandom or the lack thereof in regards to this football team/franchise. Are we clear on that, one who sucks the penis?

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Douche McCloud says:
Hoping they lose or that the QB sucks, etc., just to prove a point is not what I describe as fandom.

Hoping that the Chiefs will pull their heads out of their asses and actually draft a legit QB is a long-shot at best. Sooooooooooo...I'm thinking the best possible scenario for the future of this team is to call a spade a ****ing spade(Axl), and hope that his mediocre, goin-nowhere brand of SUCK gets replaced sooner rather than later, by any means necessary.
If that's rooting to fail, I can live with it.

Aaaaand finally:

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Douche McCloud farts out of the ether:
ROR has admitted to not even being Chiefs fan in the past, which makes him a troll.

I wasn't born a Chiefs fan, and I wasn't born in KC either. I moved there and went to school there and lived there for 20+ years. During that time, I used to hang out at the flea market in the 90's when DT was in his heyday. DT made me a fan with his superior play, and because the atmosphere at the time was a great one. Too bad Marty ended up being a useless pile of shit when push came to shove, right? Oh well. Just support your Red and Gold no matter how many times they shoot themselves in the foot or settle for the fat ugly chick at the bar come closing time, right?
Mother**** YOU, McCloud. I lived in KC and worked for the City for seven years while you were polishing knobs in Hollywood up the "ladder of success". Your opinion means less to me than a twenty year-old bag of mule shit in a garden of used Depends. And if the day ever comes that I express a genuine interest in your opinion of me, then perhaps it means that I have mellowed a bit because the god-awful abortion of a football franchise I have chosen to tie myself to, has finally LEARNED FROM IT'S PAST.

Keep your bullshit to yourself, mother****er. I ain't hearin' it.

Discuss Thrower · 08-02-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I am approaching the Alex Smith scenario the exact same way as I approached the Cassel trade.

I'd love to see it work out, but I just don't see it happening.

Not sure if you were implying that I want this team and Alex Smith to fail, but I don't.

I just think he will fail.

The trade wasn't made in a vacuum, the ultimate goal is to win it all and I just think the trade extended this teams reign of ineptness. I see a team that could run with any team in the league if the QB position was equal and that this team has no interest in that happening.

I truly hope I'm wrong this time.

So why did Reid, who had the lion's share of success with a QB that he drafted, choose Alex over any QB available at any point in the draft..

**BossChief** · 08-03-2013, 12:06 AM

Because, just like with every other QB acquisition this team has made over time, the team wants instant gratification.

They want to get back to a full stadium and competing for the division THIS YEAR and they didn't think any of the QBs in this class could step right in and win right away.

They didn't want to break any eggs, so they choose the "just add water" version.

It makes a crappy cake, but it cooks fast and doesn't need a lot of ingredients.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-03-2013, 12:17 AM

7 wins will not take even this below average division. What u smokin?

9er guy · 08-03-2013, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Because, just like with every other QB acquisition this team has made over time, the team wants instant gratification.

They want to get back to a full stadium and competing for the division THIS YEAR and they didn't think any of the QBs in this class could step right in and win right away.

They didn't want to break any eggs, so they choose the "just add water" version.

It makes a crappy cake, but it cooks fast and doesn't need a lot of ingredients.

Why are you so hard on McCluster man? LOL

He was kind of a mule that they tried to make a show pony.

Although you probably know more than I do.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2013, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I am approaching the Alex Smith scenario the exact same way as I approached the Cassel trade.

I'd love to see it work out, but I just don't see it happening.

Not sure if you were implying that I want this team and Alex Smith to fail, but I don't.

I just think he will fail.

The trade wasn't made in a vacuum, the ultimate goal is to win it all and I just think the trade extended this teams reign of ineptness. I see a team that could run with any team in the league if the QB position was equal and that this team has no interest in that happening.

I truly hope I'm wrong this time.

I was referring to ROR/DCS/SDH

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-03-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

Why are you so hard on McCluster man? LOL

He was kind of a mule that they tried to make a show pony.

Although you probably know more than I do.

He lost and honored a bet. Unlike POS donco fans on this board.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

He lost and honored a bet. Unlike POS donco fans on this board.

Or your pal, SDH

RunKC · 08-03-2013, 12:28 AM

If guys like Sweet Dick Willie and Clay hate this franchise so much and talk shit on them, then why don't they just leave?

Just take a season off instead of regurgitating the same old shit.

I swear to God women aren't as bad as you two. They at least let an issue die after a few days or weeks. They don't bring this shit up almost every ****ing day for months on end.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-03-2013, 12:33 AM

I've felt for a long time that the Chiefs ownership has very real contempt for its fanbase. It's not an active kind of hatred, but the type of disdain that you often see within tone deaf corporations.

Look at the way that Microsoft treated their customers with the release of the new XBox. The mere thought that the consumers would be stupid and gullible enough to put up with some of the features and policies with that console compared to a PS4 is incredibly offensive.

I feel the Chiefs ownership operates in a similar fashion. The difference is that Chiefs fans don't have an alternative, so they embrace foolish plans due to the alternative's absence.

That contempt is why you don't see me posting in many Chiefs threads. Personally, I can't continue to give them my "business".

View Poll Results: How would you classify yourself?
1 - Homer	7	2.44%
2 - Optimist	85	29.62%
3 - Balanced	116	40.42%
4 - Pessimist	67	23.34%
5 - Naysayer	8	2.79%
Generic Alternate Zresponse	4	1.39%
Voters: 287. You may not vote on this poll

05-03-2013, 09:30 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2066899	Let's talk about "true fans" Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made. The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days: 1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this. 2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel. 3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out. 4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do. 5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up. Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success. Discus. Last edited by DaFace; 05-03-2013 at 09:37 AM..
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1914088	Because, just like with every other QB acquisition this team has made over time, the team wants instant gratification. They want to get back to a full stadium and competing for the division THIS YEAR and they didn't think any of the QBs in this class could step right in and win right away. They didn't want to break any eggs, so they choose the "just add water" version. It makes a crappy cake, but it cooks fast and doesn't need a lot of ingredients. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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08-03-2013, 12:17 AM	#264
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08-03-2013, 12:28 AM	#269
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2289611	If guys like Sweet Dick Willie and Clay hate this franchise so much and talk shit on them, then why don't they just leave? Just take a season off instead of regurgitating the same old shit. I swear to God women aren't as bad as you two. They at least let an issue die after a few days or weeks. They don't bring this shit up almost every **ing day for months on end. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray**
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08-03-2013, 12:33 AM	#270
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	I've felt for a long time that the Chiefs ownership has very real contempt for its fanbase. It's not an active kind of hatred, but the type of disdain that you often see within tone deaf corporations. Look at the way that Microsoft treated their customers with the release of the new XBox. The mere thought that the consumers would be stupid and gullible enough to put up with some of the features and policies with that console compared to a PS4 is incredibly offensive. I feel the Chiefs ownership operates in a similar fashion. The difference is that Chiefs fans don't have an alternative, so they embrace foolish plans due to the alternative's absence. That contempt is why you don't see me posting in many Chiefs threads. Personally, I can't continue to give them my "business". __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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