Russell Wilson

[melbar]

Watched QB camp with Gruden and was very impressed. Would love to get him in the 3rd. I think he has potential to be special. Height is the ONLY reason he isnt top 10. Anyone else see him much?

CBSsports

Analysis
Accuracy: Was the nation's most efficient quarterback in 2011, earning a 191.78 QB rating -- over 22 points higher than the next highest rated QB from a pro-style offense (Andrew Luck) … Showcased the ability to consistently throw receivers open versus single coverage as a senior, demonstrating impressive improvement in this area from his time at NC State … Delivers a tight spiral that is easily tracked and caught. Typically hits his receivers in stride whether on zipped crossing routes, touch passes dropped over the top of defenders or line drives leading receivers out of bounds on the deep out.

Arm Strength: Arguably Wilson's most impressive trait, especially considering his lack of ideal size. Can easily make every NFL throw, showing the ability to drive the football to the sideline on a line from the opposite hash. Can send the ball 40-50 yards downfield with a flick of his wrist.

Setup/Release: Efficient set-up and delivery of the ball. Experienced taking snaps from under center and shotgun. Drops back quickly and shows good rhythm and timing despite limited experience playing with Wisconsin's receivers, planting his back foot and driving the quick slant. Has a quick, over the top release and does an excellent job of finding clear passing lanes from which to throw.

Reading Defenses: Cerebral quarterback who is rarely fooled by coverage. Makes strong pre-snap reads and demonstrated improvement as a senior in manipulating the defense with his eyes and legs. Shows good poise in a muddy pocket, stepping up to avoid the rush and challenging linebackers to either commit to stopping him from scrambling or dropping off to cover receivers behind them. Is more than willing to scramble but does a nice job of keeping his eyes downfield until the last possible second.

On The Move: Very good elusiveness and speed for the position but his most impressive trait may be his vision. Anticipates pressure well and does a nice job of forcing the defense to commit and taking advantage of the weakness exposed once they do. Very good mobility for bootlegs and roll outs, showing good accuracy and arm strength to fire passes downfield.

Intangibles: Voted a team captain at NC State and Wisconsin … Attempted 379 passes between interceptions -- the longest streak in NCAA history -- over a two year span of 13 games in 2009-10. Finished his collegiate career 30-20, including 11-3 as a senior … Wilson was drafted in the fourth round of the 2009 MLB draft by the Colorado Rockies. The second baseman hit .229 with five home runs and 26 RBIs in the Northwest and South Atlantic leagues. Wilson notified the Rockies in January 2012 that he will pursue playing in the NFL over baseball … Good bloodlines. His father, the late Harrison Wilson III, played football and baseball at Dartmouth and spent time on the San Diego Chargers' practice squad …

[brorth]

The more I watch video on all of the QBs who aren't going first or second, the more I hope KC is the team that gives him a chance. He's arguably the "football smartest", and his mechanics seem to be the most sound.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by brorth

The more I watch video on all of the QBs who aren't going first or second, the more I hope KC is the team that gives him a chance. He's arguably the "football smartest", and his mechanics seem to be the most sound.

This draft's Tom Brady.

He's being discounted for all the same reasons as Brady was in his draft, but all Moore did was win. His instincts and timing are damn near perfect.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

This draft's Tom Brady.

He's being discounted for all the same reasons as Brady was in his draft, but all Moore did was win. His instincts and timing are damn near perfect.

Tom Brady never had an arm as weak as Moore.

That is the stupidest ****ing comparison I've ever seen.

Thanks for reiterating your absolute lack of sense.

I almost found myself thinking you aren't a total ****ing idiot.

Just needed a little reminder.

Thanks.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

Tom Brady never had an arm as weak as Moore.

That is the stupidest ****ing comparison I've ever seen.

Thanks for reiterating your absolute lack of sense.

I almost found myself thinking you aren't a total ****ing idiot.

Just needed a little reminder.

Thanks.

I know you don't like him, but his arm isn't as weak as you are hypothetically envisioning and his impeccable timing makes up for whatever drive on the ball he lacks.

Go back and read the pre-draft reports on Brady. They are damn near word for word as it relates to Moore.

Brady is taller, but that's about it.

And you cannot discount the ability and determination to win that Moore possesses.

That being said, I know your take on him, so we'll leave it at that.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

This draft's Tom Brady.

He's being discounted for all the same reasons as Brady was in his draft, but all Moore did was win. His instincts and timing are damn near perfect.

Sorry, but chubby here is short, weak arm, Funky mechanics, bad footwork, and almost all of his snaps came from the shotgun.

Other than that, almost EXACTLY like Brady...

[Blick]

Moore is a guy I like too. His anticipation and ability to throw guys open makes up for his lack of arm strength.

His football intelligence is off the charts.

He probably won't be given much of a chance though.

[Micjones]

No thanks to Wilson.
He's too short and played with GREAT parts.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I know you don't like him, but his arm isn't as weak as you are hypothetically envisioning and his impeccable timing makes up for whatever drive on the ball he lacks.

Kellen Moore makes Danny Wuerffel look like he had a cannon.

That anticipation that people talk about worked fine in college but isn't going to fly in the NFL. NFL corners will eat up those rainbows that Moore throws.

[buddha]

Kellen Moore is more like Montana coming out of college than anybody else. Will he become another Joe Montana? Almost certainly not, but he has a lot of the same attributes.

[ChiefMojo]

What set Montana apart than others is his feet... they were out of this world. Even with his decent arm and slight build he was able to succeed due to his extreme football IQ and his ability to move around in the pocket with such ease. Also Montana had a much better overall arm than Moore.

Moore was a excellent college QB but watching enough of his college film he scares me to death as a NFL QB. I didn't see enough of him under center and he doesn't have the arm to make all of the NFL throws the way you need him to be. He is the classic case why GM's like Pioli would never draft him. To add salt to the wound, he is a spread QB and has nothing Pro-Style about him... that is basically three strikes in one when your talking about QB's with Scott Pioli. Notice all the QB's Pioli has ever brought in or been tied to... they are all Pro-Style QB's.

Russell Wilson may not have the height but he has all the other intangibles you would want in a NFL QB. Very good arm (can make all the NFL throws with ease), high football IQ, Pro-Style QB and accurate. If Wilson were at least 6'2", he would be a top 10 pick.

[buddha]

I don't deny any of those points, Mojo. However, Moore has excellent vision like Montana did in college. Montana got even better at that in the NFL.

The whole under center thing isn't really a worry, is it? BTW, do you notice how many spread snaps occur in the NFL these days? It's very normal, and happens on any down and distance situation.

BTW, neither Montana nor Moore had/have much of an arm. However, they make up for that in other ways.

I wouldn't mind Moore coming in as a late round pick or a FA situation. He is a very accomplished player...no denying it.

[ChiefMojo]

Being able to come out from under center is very important in the NFL still... especially with the Chiefs under Pioli. Heck Wilson won't get drafted by the Chiefs due to his height either. Pioli likes taller QB's and probably as low as he would go is 6'2", but you better make it up with other extreme intangibles.

Moore could "possibly" succeed in some systems but he would definitely not fit or be considered by Pioli. Your more than likely going to find KC targeting bigger QB's like Osweiler or Foles before Moore.

[buddha]

Mojo, personally I like Osweiler. I think he has a lot of upside and has a lot of ability. I recognize his warts as well. However, you can get him for a song compared to what Tannehill is going to cost and honestly I don't see much difference between the two.

[ChiefMojo]

I totally agree and that is why I don't want Tannehill and would be perfectly cool with Osweiler in the 3rd round. With us still having Cassel (even though I don't like him being the starter), we can bring Osweiler along slower to groom him much like we are doing with Stanzi. You would hope after a year or two, either Stanzi or Osweiler would be ready to be a high quality starter. If they both work out, then you have a great trade piece to get a haul of draft picks.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by buddha

Kellen Moore is more like Montana coming out of college than anybody else. Will he become another Joe Montana? Almost certainly not, but he has a lot of the same attributes.

You're ****ing stupid. Compare Moore to Montana again and I'll pay you a visit.