Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 21

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

Hammock Parties · 09-30-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

With your record you probably shouldn't be thinking.

I'm just going by what I see. We haven't seen much of anything good from Cooper his last 12 games.

Prison Bitch · 09-30-2014, 07:22 AM

Direckshin. Oh that funny little man

**J Diddy** · 09-30-2014, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Fifth, Dorsey has definitely done something to deserve skepticism: he selected Eric Fisher #1 overall. Unless Fisher turns into a reliable, Pro Bowl talent, he's going to deserve shit tons of second guessing by skeptical fans. Period.

I don't see how you could knock the pick outside of not wanting a LT 1 overall. It's not like Eric Fisher was some obscure nobody prior to the draft.

Direckshun · 09-30-2014, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I don't see how you could knock the pick outside of not wanting a LT 1 overall. It's not like Eric Fisher was some obscure nobody prior to the draft.

Because if you've got the #1 overall pick, it needs to land. You cannot win Super Bowls if your #1 overall pick busts.

At this point, we don't even know if Fisher will land. And until he does, Dorsey has made a hugely controversial move there.

mcaj22 · 09-30-2014, 07:35 AM

Dorsey did screw himself by not extending Houston prior to the season. That was playing with fire giving Alex the contract before Houston.

Alex's rate wasn't going to change. Now you're going to have to pay Houston the absolute top dollar as the best OLB in the game.

Sassy Squatch · 09-30-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Because if you've got the #1 overall pick, it needs to land. You cannot win Super Bowls if your #1 overall pick busts.

At this point, we don't even know if Fisher will land. And until he does, Dorsey has made a hugely controversial move there.

Controversial? Wasn't it pretty much set in stone before the draft that he was going to us at 1 overall? Tyson Jackson was a controversial pick. Fisher wasn't.

**J Diddy** · 09-30-2014, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Because if you've got the #1 overall pick, it needs to land. You cannot win Super Bowls if your #1 overall pick busts.

At this point, we don't even know if Fisher will land. And until he does, Dorsey has made a hugely controversial move there.

DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"When I put my Top 100 out there, he was the first name on the list, which tells you how strongly I feel about him. He's a Pro Bowl left tackle." -- Mike Mayock

How is that controversial outside of the geno wanting draftubators?

Titty Meat · 09-30-2014, 08:26 AM

Fisher has improved

Direckshun · 09-30-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Dorsey did screw himself by not extending Houston prior to the season. That was playing with fire giving Alex the contract before Houston.

Alex's rate wasn't going to change. Now you're going to have to pay Houston the absolute top dollar as the best OLB in the game.

What makes you think Alex Smith's rate wasn't going to change? That's baseless.

The Chiefs had to choose which player they wanted to play the high-stakes franchise tag game with. They chose to wrap up Smith, and take on Houston.

They were going to be in trouble with whomever was left, no matter what.

Direckshun · 09-30-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Controversial? Wasn't it pretty much set in stone before the draft that he was going to us at 1 overall? Tyson Jackson was a controversial pick. Fisher wasn't.

It was not remotely set in stone. Matter of fact, definitive word that the Chiefs wanted Fisher came out but a day before the draft.

Besides, you're confusing "controversial" with "surprising." Fisher being our pick may not have been surprising, but that doesn't mean it wasn't controversial.

Direckshun · 09-30-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"When I put my Top 100 out there, he was the first name on the list, which tells you how strongly I feel about him. He's a Pro Bowl left tackle." -- Mike Mayock

How is that controversial outside of the geno wanting draftubators?

Because the controversy was, who the hell do the Chiefs pick when there's no clearcut #1 QB.

Electing to take an LT when we already had a high performing one was controversial.

Hoover · 09-30-2014, 09:02 AM

You need to watch more games. Fisher looks a lot better when put back in his natural spot. Put a decent guard next to him and our running game will be off to the races.

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 12:32 AM

I was going to wait until the actual midpoint of the season, but since next week's game against the Jets isn't going to tell us anything, I might as well revisit this now. I was dead serious in the OP, and remain serious now in my re-assessment.

I'm going to highlight the key premises of the OP:

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

I don't think you could argue that the shift from Titans-game Chiefs to the Chiefs right now is anything less than dramatic. Not only does the team look disciplined, smart, athletic, with a great foundation for future years in place, its replacements to the departed free agents, it's depth to replace injuries, and even the new talents we all feared would struggle (Fisher, Parker, Gaines -- WTF??) have all turned around and made this team a deep, talented roster, and a very young one with lots of room to grow.

Following all the departing free agents, I felt that the Chiefs, if built perfectly, could compete for a title as soon as 2016. I radically underestimated how well Reid would adjust his offense and Sutton would adjust his defense. I think, with a couple more pieces, this team is competing for a title next season.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I was going to wait until the actual midpoint of the season, but since next week's game against the Jets isn't going to tell us anything, I might as well revisit this now. I was dead serious in the OP, and remain serious now in my re-assessment.

I'm going to highlight the key premises of the OP:

I don't think you could argue that the shift from Titans-game Chiefs to the Chiefs right now is anything less than dramatic. Not only does the team look disciplined, smart, athletic, with a great foundation for future years in place, its replacements to the departed free agents, it's depth to replace injuries, and even the new talents we all feared would struggle (Fisher, Parker, Gaines -- WTF??) have all turned around and made this team a deep, talented roster, and a very young one with lots of room to grow.

Following all the departing free agents, I felt that the Chiefs, if built perfectly, could compete for a title as soon as 2016. I radically underestimated how well Reid would adjust his offense and Sutton would adjust his defense. I think, with a couple more pieces, this team is competing for a title next season.

Some things never change. You're as ****ing clueless about personnel and the NFL as ever before.

Good ****ing grief.

Direckshun · 10-28-2014, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Some things never change. You're as ****ing clueless about personnel and the NFL as ever before.

Good ****ing grief.

I don't think my opinion was an outlier at the time.

Of course, you get the benefit of not being around here during what many considered to be a dreadful offseason, a troubling preseason, and a chaotic opener. How were you feeling at the time of the Titans game?

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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