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Old 09-20-2018, 11:17 AM  
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We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field



Everybody pretty much did their job here in the back end except Murray. This defense looks so much worse because of him. The guy just doesn’t have a good read on coverage.

It sucks that we are pressed to play him bc we are forced too due to Sorenson and Berry being hurt.

FWIW Armani Watts played 16 defensive snaps in the Steelers game as opposed to 3 in LA. I think he’s coming up to speed.

Only a matter of time until Murray is on the bench and we look better.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:59 PM   #61
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The problem I have with this is the Chiefs basically said at the end of last season it's the players not the scheme. They put their chips on backing Sutton, which is fine. No you have all these new players and still the same problems if not worse. So are they going to honestly double down on the scheme/Sutton and blame the players again for the second season in a row. Fool me once shame on me, foo me twice...
They do have a talent problem and Veach deserves a lot of criticism for doing nothing about this secondary.

Actually what they did was ass backwards, they go all front 7 for run D..when you score 30 points a game no one is going to be running much on you.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:00 PM   #62
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The problem I have with this is the Chiefs basically said at the end of last season it's the players not the scheme. They put their chips on backing Sutton, which is fine. No you have all these new players and still the same problems if not worse. So are they going to honestly double down on the scheme/Sutton and blame the players again for the second season in a row. Fool me once shame on me, foo me twice...
If the players are the problem, why would they blame Sutton?

Why not actually, you know, focus on the actual cause instead of looking to throw around blame?

They committed to the defense in the draft and only 1 of those guys is getting snaps. For the most part, he's been somewhere between ineffective and bad.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:01 PM   #63
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They do have a talent problem and Veach deserves a lot of criticism for doing nothing about this secondary.

Actually what they did was ass backwards, they go all front 7 for run D..when you score 30 points a game no one is going to be running much on you.
They did it to beat Pittsburgh.

The good thing is, I think it’ll be big against the Jags too.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:06 PM   #64
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They do have a talent problem and Veach deserves a lot of criticism for doing nothing about this secondary.

Actually what they did was ass backwards, they go all front 7 for run D..when you score 30 points a game no one is going to be running much on you.
He had to trade away an All Pro CB and our 1st round pick was gone. Nice way to try to start fixing the secondary. Went out intent on getting Kyle Fuller and Tyrann Mathieu in FA. Didn't work out. The only thing I can say he really ****ed up on was Speaks instead of a CB or S in round 2.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:07 PM   #65
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They did it to beat Pittsburgh.

The good thing is, I think it’ll be big against the Jags too.
Jacksonville is actually a better team without Fournette, how funny is that. When he plays they pass like so little that Bortles has no rhythm and then is worse than he actually is.
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He had to trade away an All Pro CB and our 1st round pick was gone. Nice way to try to start fixing the secondary. Went out intent on getting Kyle Fuller and Tyrann Mathieu in FA. Didn't work out. The only thing I can say he really ****ed up on was Speaks instead of a CB or S in round 2.
It just makes no sense how they did nothing for the back end meanwhile 2 guys that went right in front of Speaks in Harold Landry and Josh Jackson are already performing very well.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:13 PM   #67
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He had to trade away an All Pro CB and our 1st round pick was gone. Nice way to try to start fixing the secondary. Went out intent on getting Kyle Fuller and Tyrann Mathieu in FA. Didn't work out. The only thing I can say he really ****ed up on was Speaks instead of a CB or S in round 2.
He didn't "have" to do anything. He put himself in that hole and did little to correct it.
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It just makes no sense how they did nothing for the back end meanwhile 2 guys that went right in front of Speaks in Harold Landry and Josh Jackson are already performing very well.
Josh Jackson would have been outstanding.
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He didn't "have" to do anything. He put himself in that hole and did little to correct it.
Dude. Do you honestly think Veach could've told both Hunt and Reid "No, I'm not trading Peters" and they would've just went "OK" and that's it? Pretty obvious his trade had nothing to do with his talents.
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If the players are the problem, why would they blame Sutton?

Why not actually, you know, focus on the actual cause instead of looking to throw around blame?

They committed to the defense in the draft and only 1 of those guys is getting snaps. For the most part, he's been somewhere between ineffective and bad.
I'm hopeful they do what they've done some in the past and start playing some of these young guys more as the year goes on.
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Well, to be fair, they're playing with 2 safeties they probably didn't think would be playing.

But that's the NFL.
they couldnt predict the Sorensen injury but they certainly could have done better at depth/insurance for Berry
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I'd love to still have Peters, but it is what it is.

If Andy was indeed ready to cut him after the Jet game, it was all over.
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they couldnt predict the Sorensen injury but they certainly could have done better at depth/insurance for Berry
That's for sure.

But they did bring in Golden who did whatever the hell happened there and they Watts.
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They do have a talent problem and Veach deserves a lot of criticism for doing nothing about this secondary.

Actually what they did was ass backwards, they go all front 7 for run D..when you score 30 points a game no one is going to be running much on you.
I dont disagree on them having a talent problem. My issue is them doubling down on.the scheme/defensive coordinator two years in a row and saying its the talent like a broken record. If thats the route we all expect them to go in.
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Jacksonville is actually a better team without Fournette, how funny is that. When he plays they pass like so little that Bortles has no rhythm and then is worse than he actually is.
I agree, but I like actually like the matchup either way against our D. That’s partly because it’s in Arrowhead also.
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