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Old 07-14-2017, 01:52 PM  
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How the NFL is Cheating Rookies out of Millions of Dollars

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Not able to post on my phone but this a really interesting article.

What do you think? Should NFL players strike? If you were an NFL rookie, what would your mindset be?
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:09 PM   #61
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If there wasn't a rookie cap, rookies in the free market could negotiate a market wage. Because there's a cap, Eric Fisher gets comped at #1 the same as Andrew Luck would.

So yes, rookies are extremely underpaid. I get the reasons why they do it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rookies get screwed.

But the heart of my response is responding to the dumb and overused idea that athletes should just find another job. Find another industry where owners collude with each other to underpay athletes. Most businesses pay a market wage. If it's too low, the jobseeker can find a job somewhere else. The NFL clearly does not do that. Overall payrolls would soar if they took away the salary cap. And if the players took another job, the NFL would tank. They are irreplaceable talent. Therefore, players are underpaid.
There's two sides to that argument. Yes, the athlete is a rare species of employee that carries extra leverage. But playing in the NFL is similarly a rare place of employment that affords it the same leverage. You think your pass catching skills make you a one in a million? Try finding another job that pays you that well to catch passes.

And as fans, we need to choose our sides wisely. The owners and players are both greedy. But at least the owners have a secondary goal of long term success of the league. Success that is fueled by pleasing the customer with things like competitive balance brought about by salary cap and free agency rules. So while there may be a degree of unfairness, it's in the name of keeping all of us happy.

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Old 07-15-2017, 02:33 PM   #62
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Back before the last CBA, when players had the right to negotiate what you cal a "fair wage", first round rookies were way overpaid. Players were paid based on potential instead of what they had proven. Drafting a player in the first round that busted was devastating to teams salary caps and it would take years to recover. I think that they could be paid a bit better than they are now. But I don't believe that they are "extremely" overpaid as you put it. Why should Jared Goff come into the league as the first overall pick and get paid more money than Tom Brady or Big Ben or whoever?? That is exactly what was happening before and it had to change. Jared Goff would have probably received a $100 million rookie contract if not for the cap. Then, say he busts. The Rams would have paid out all that money for nothing. He didn't even play last year. He received an $18 million signing bonus on a 4 year $27 million deal. I don't think that's unfair at all for a guy who hasn't proven anything yet.
I don't disagree. Like I said, I get the reason for a rookie cap. Even if I agree with the rookie cap, I understand why rookies don't like it and why they would complain.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:03 PM   #63
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There's two sides to that argument. Yes, the athlete is a rare species of employee that carries extra leverage. But playing in the NFL is similarly a rare place of employment that affords it the same leverage. You think your pass catching skills make you a one in a million? Try finding another job that pays you that well to catch passes.

And as fans, we need to choose our sides wisely. The owners and players are both greedy. But at least the owners have a secondary goal of long term success of the league. Success that is fueled by pleasing the customer with things like competitive balance brought about by salary cap and free agency rules. So while there may be a degree of unfairness, it's in the name of keeping all of us happy.

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Good post. I'm not suggesting that we go back to the days of giving Jerry Jones a blank check. There has to be some checks and balances.

And while I agree with your second point, players asking for more money wouldn't ruin the league. What would ruin the league is shitty owners like Jeff Loria who believe no cap means giving him more license to cheapskate his payroll to turn a bigger profit. The system makes it impossible to oust him. And under a cap system, owners can undercut payroll because the system allows them to hide their finances so we can't see what players should actually deserve to earn. The owners can create a system that compensates players fairly while creating a fair salary cap. Those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. But the system allows the owners an extraordinary amount of power to not do that. The best fix is for owners to open their books and create a cap based on what's really being earned. Until they do that, it's on the owners for underpaying players.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:33 PM   #64
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Don't care about billionaires and millionaires money troubles.
That is cutting it to the chase.

To me, the most important part of the current deal was eliminating "hold outs" that used to cripple the game IMO.

It made getting a high round pick even more of a crap shoot than it is now.


I like the deal much better now and don't care if some kid only makes a few hundred thousand a year right out of college.


***edit*** read the thread, Deface covered it well, same point.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:49 PM   #65
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Rookies make a hell of a lot more from the NFL than they did playing for the NCAA.
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:43 PM   #66
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One more thing that I like about the way that they do it now is that since rookie salaries are slotted, there are virtually no more rookie holdouts. Bosa last year was the first rookie holdout since the new CBA. How many times did rookies holdout, missing valuable training camp and conditioning time. Those rookies usually had significantly less impactful rookie seasons due to the holdout. Several came in and got season ending injuries because of it. No. Please don't let things go back to the way they were before. Make those rookies earn the big bucks before they get paid and get them into camp on time.
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:04 PM   #67
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Rookies make a hell of a lot more from the NFL than they did playing for the NCAA.
Which is another sign of pure system abuse. I don't think college players should get a salary. But when tons of people are making a shitload of money off of player likenesses, and the ridiculous practice of cutting college players off from endorsement deals is nuts. It's one thing to stop athletes from making money. It's another when some snake in the back is extorting these kids for millions.
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:18 PM   #68
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And actually the money just got switched to the vets.

So the vets voted for it and are getting the money. Right?


How is the NFL cheating them out of anything?
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:33 AM   #69
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Are the draft picks even union members until they sign? I'd rather see the vets get the money rather than an unproven rookie.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:36 AM   #70
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Count me among those who like the results of the current CBA better than the craziness we had before.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:02 AM   #71
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:18 AM   #72
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Considering the rookies that would be most pissed off are the top draft picks, I don't think you want to encourage the top rookies to pursue other careers. What makes football great is having the best talent in the world.

Again, I get the reasons for the rookie cap and I support them. But let's not lose sight of the fact that they get paid a lot because they are worth it. And in fact, they are extremely underpaid.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:23 AM   #73
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And actually the money just got switched to the vets.

So the vets voted for it and are getting the money. Right?


How is the NFL cheating them out of anything?
Every time they negotiate the CBA, the players demand that the owners open up their books. They refuse to. All players, vets and rookies, can get a higher % cap if there were actual fair understanding of revenue. I can't even imagine the insane amount owners make in under the table incentives, especially from the city and state. Technically the NFL is cheating all players, vets and rookies, out of money. If All players could be paid a lot more if we ever knew what these owners were pocketing.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:25 AM   #74
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Considering the rookies that would be most pissed off are the top draft picks, I don't think you want to encourage the top rookies to pursue other careers. What makes football great is having the best talent in the world.

Again, I get the reasons for the rookie cap and I support them. But let's not lose sight of the fact that they get paid a lot because they are worth it. And in fact, they are extremely underpaid.
You think there's a risk of losing rookies to the insurance sales business if wazu encourages them to exercise their right to pursue a different career?
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What makes football great is having the best talent in the world.
NFL players aren't the "best talent in the world".

Guys play in the NFL because they don't have the talent, size or athleticism to play in the NBA or MLB.

Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates couldn't sniff a roster spot in the NBA, yet both are future NFL HOFer's.
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