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Old 07-14-2017, 01:52 PM  
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How the NFL is Cheating Rookies out of Millions of Dollars

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Not able to post on my phone but this a really interesting article.

What do you think? Should NFL players strike? If you were an NFL rookie, what would your mindset be?
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:32 AM   #46
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As opposed to paying millions $ to rookies that have never played a down? That system was horrible. Now teams can slot their draft picks on a predictable scale that allows for more effective cap management and allocation of $to proven players.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:35 AM   #47
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As opposed to paying millions $ to rookies that have never played a down? That system was horrible. Now teams can slot their draft picks on a predictable scale that allows for more effective cap management and allocation of $to proven players.
Totally agree. Think of all the draft busts that got paid gazillions and didn't do anything in the pros. Think of all the picks who weren't picked high and took them years to get a check w/ half their career gone. Wasn't a fair system. Let the rooks strike.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:36 AM   #48
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As opposed to paying millions $ to rookies that have never played a down? That system was horrible. Now teams can slot their draft picks on a predictable scale that allows for more effective cap management and allocation of $to proven players.
Yep, and if they think the vets are gonna hold out for rookies they are ****ing crazy.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:37 AM   #49
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The rookies can't really strike or have a say in the cba. They aren't in the NFL before they sign.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:38 AM   #50
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The rookies can't really strike or have a say in the cba. They aren't in the NFL before they sign.
Maybe a million Rook march?
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:46 AM   #51
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There should be performance based incentives that arent tied to the cap but strictly regulated/structured. For every Donald...there are 20 others that dont become top 10 at their position.

The current system was put in place to prevent getting a $50 million dollar lemon...those that become stars should be paid more based on their achievements.. and market value.

I would view it as teams getting a cap break for good drafting...but still being protected against busts.

Nothing would change as far as the cap...just star players would be getting compensated more in alignment with their actual contributions.

If Elliot leads the NFL in rushing as a rookie...he should get a bonus.

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Old 07-15-2017, 12:33 PM   #52
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I see both sides of the argument, but I'd rather see proven players getting the cash. I would like to see exactly what each team rakes in from the shared money though. While they do keep 52%, they have to pay for on and off the field staff, stadium leases or payments, travel, equipment, etc. I would imagine those expenses are significant. Does the owner make 10%, 5%, 3%?
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:34 PM   #53
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:54 PM   #54
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Rookies being cheated. Are they forced to play in the NFL. If unhappy, just do a different job.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:04 PM   #55
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Rookies being cheated. Are they forced to play in the NFL. If unhappy, just do a different job.
When a "different job" chooses to underpay, it's because they know they can replace that person with thousands of people who are qualified to do your job equally well or better. They compensate on a market rate.

When rookies get underpaid, it's because the league is setting an artificial cap on their wages.

I get why the rookie comp system is in place and think it's a good thing. But rookies most definitely have a right to be pissed about it. We should all quit with the nonsense that this is "just another job." Athletes get paid as they do because they are the best at what they do in the world and because they drive a shitload of revenue.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:21 PM   #56
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When a "different job" chooses to underpay, it's because they know they can replace that person with thousands of people who are qualified to do your job equally well or better. They compensate on a market rate.

When rookies get underpaid, it's because the league is setting an artificial cap on their wages.

I get why the rookie comp system is in place and think it's a good thing. But rookies most definitely have a right to be pissed about it. We should all quit with the nonsense that this is "just another job." Athletes get paid as they do because they are the best at what they do in the world and because they drive a shitload of revenue.
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The rookies can't really strike or have a say in the cba. They aren't in the NFL before they sign.
The NFLPA is an extremely weak union. When the average player career is 3 years, by would current players go to war for future players? There's just no incentive to dig in for a long drawn out battle.

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Unless you get a career ending injury after a couple of awesome years but before you get to that second contract. Then you never really got compensated for the value you brought the team. If Hill gets blown up and can never play again this year or next he will be a (relative) pauper.
How many examples are there of this happening? I know career ending injuries happen, but how many are cases of it happening to players still on a cheap rookie contract while playing at a level far above said contract?

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If there wasn't a rookie cap, rookies in the free market could negotiate a market wage. Because there's a cap, Eric Fisher gets comped at #1 the same as Andrew Luck would.

So yes, rookies are extremely underpaid. I get the reasons why they do it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rookies get screwed.

But the heart of my response is responding to the dumb and overused idea that athletes should just find another job. Find another industry where owners collude with each other to underpay athletes. Most businesses pay a market wage. If it's too low, the jobseeker can find a job somewhere else. The NFL clearly does not do that. Overall payrolls would soar if they took away the salary cap. And if the players took another job, the NFL would tank. They are irreplaceable talent. Therefore, players are underpaid.
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If there wasn't a rookie cap, rookies in the free market could negotiate a market wage. Because there's a cap, Eric Fisher gets comped at #1 the same as Andrew Luck would.

So yes, rookies are extremely underpaid. I get the reasons why they do it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rookies get screwed.

But the heart of my response is responding to the dumb and overused idea that athletes should just find another job. Find another industry where owners collude with each other to underpay athletes. Most businesses pay a market wage. If it's too low, the jobseeker can find a job somewhere else. The NFL clearly does not do that. Overall payrolls would soar if they took away the salary cap. And if the players took another job, the NFL would tank. They are irreplaceable talent. Therefore, players are underpaid.
Back before the last CBA, when players had the right to negotiate what you call a "fair wage", first round rookies were way overpaid. Players were paid based on potential instead of what they had proven. Drafting a player in the first round that busted was devastating to teams salary caps and it would take years to recover. I think that they could be paid a bit better than they are now. But I don't believe that they are "extremely" underpaid as you put it. Why should Jared Goff come into the league as the first overall pick and get paid more money than Tom Brady or Big Ben or whoever?? That is exactly what was happening before and it had to change. Jared Goff would have probably received a $100 million rookie contract if not for the cap. Then, say he busts. The Rams would have paid out all that money for nothing. He didn't even play last year. He received an $18 million signing bonus on a 4 year $27 million deal. I don't think that's unfair at all for a guy who hasn't proven anything yet.

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