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Old 07-14-2017, 01:52 PM  
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How the NFL is Cheating Rookies out of Millions of Dollars

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Not able to post on my phone but this a really interesting article.

What do you think? Should NFL players strike? If you were an NFL rookie, what would your mindset be?
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:13 AM   #106
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NFL players aren't the "best talent in the world".

Guys play in the NFL because they don't have the talent, size or athleticism to play in the NBA or MLB.

Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates couldn't sniff a roster spot in the NBA, yet both are future NFL HOFer's.

This is categorically untrue. Just one example.


https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/07/10/t...attle-mariners
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:19 AM   #107
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It would be a fun experiment. Theoretically, you wouldn't necessarily vote out the best player, but rather you'd vote out the most underpaid player, right? And it should be the most underpaid player from the team that's the favorite to win the division. I wonder if it would play out that way.

And given the contract systems, it should be most likely to be a third-year player or second-year player, I think, because you'd want to vote a guy into free agency to take as many years of production away as possible. But in the real world, maybe that wouldn't happen because teams have such a short-term outlook. Maybe you vote off a fourth-year guy if he's the best player to get the biggest immediate advantage.

Who would the Chiefs vote into free agency for the 2017 season? Would it be Derek Carr? He's a logical choice, but he also just signed an enormous contract. Von Miller, the barroom killer? I don't know his contract structure. Or after Season 1, maybe you go for Joey Bosa, but I don't think the Chargers are enough of a threat.

Who would other teams pick? It would be tempting for them to vote for Tyreek, but he may be unproven as of yet. Maybe they'd vote Peters or Berry off of the Chiefs, but I suspect the Broncos and Chargers might vote Carr off first, just due to positional value.
But Carr isn't underpaid at all given his latest contract. In fact, voiding his contract creates some nighmare headaches under cap accounting rules.

The second he shows any talent -- Mahomes. Enjoy another 25 year search for a QB...? And how will you feel when Elway calls him up and invites him to town? Or the Texans?
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:20 AM   #108
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Well not really, looks Suh's deal, look at Carr's deal etc...Teams have to spend what 99% of their salary cap? If less is going to rookies more is going to Vets.
Star players get star deals.

Good not great players don't get big money deals when you can get cheap talent via the draft

Or at least it's what the smart teams do
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:27 AM   #109
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This is categorically untrue. Just one example.

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/07/10/t...attle-mariners
One example. The problem is that you can't give me hundreds or thousands of examples.

There are scores of guys that could have chosen the NFL over MLB or the NBA, but didn't.

These days, the best arm talent is choosing MLB over the NFL. And every stinkin' one of these guys would like to play in the NBA but can't, which is why we see guys tearing ACL's and injuring themselves playing pickup basketball in the offseason.

Brian Jordan played as a safety in the NFL but quit and went to the MLB, where he had a much more successful career.

Could you even imagine LeBron James in the NFL? Kobe Bryant? Shaq? James Harden? That's just to a name a few. They would have been so dominant that it wouldn't even have been fun to watch.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:34 AM   #110
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One example. The problem is that you can't give me hundreds or thousands of examples.

There are scores of guys that could have chosen the NFL over MLB or the NBA, but didn't.

These days, the best arm talent is choosing MLB over the NFL. And every stinkin' one of these guys would like to play in the NBA but can't, which is why we see guys tearing ACL's and injuring themselves playing pickup basketball in the offseason.

Brian Jordan played as a safety in the NFL but quit and went to the MLB, where he had a much more successful career.

Could you even imagine LeBron James in the NFL? Kobe Bryant? Shaq? James Harden? That's just to a name a few. They would have been so dominant that it wouldn't even have been fun to watch.
Lebron could have been legit in the NFL.

But then there's always the physicality and how those guys would ha e handled it.

Similarly some of these safeties and corners would be legit outfielders with their speed.

It's all about what you devote to from a young age. The top level athlete like lebron could have probably played whatever he wanted though
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:36 AM   #111
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Kobe was 6"6. I'm guessing he'd have had to play tight end? Maybe wr
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:39 AM   #112
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:01 AM   #113
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One example. The problem is that you can't give me hundreds or thousands of examples.

There are scores of guys that could have chosen the NFL over MLB or the NBA, but didn't.

These days, the best arm talent is choosing MLB over the NFL. And every stinkin' one of these guys would like to play in the NBA but can't, which is why we see guys tearing ACL's and injuring themselves playing pickup basketball in the offseason.

Brian Jordan played as a safety in the NFL but quit and went to the MLB, where he had a much more successful career.

Could you even imagine LeBron James in the NFL? Kobe Bryant? Shaq? James Harden? That's just to a name a few. They would have been so dominant that it wouldn't even have been fun to watch.

All else being equal, I would chose a MLB or NBA career over football too. More money and less physically punishing = no brainer.

LeBron would be a ridiculous tight end, but you've also named one of the top five, if not the top ONE, athletes to ever play basketball.

Tell me, how would anyone over, say, 6'9" do in football? For the most part, not well. I don't think Kareem Abdul Jabbar would've been much of an NFL player to be honest, no matter how many NBA records he holds. Steph Curry throwing fear into me as, what? A WR? Yeah, not really. How about all those "skinny" (by NFL standards) 6'7" wings in the NBA these days. WTF are they going to do on a football field? They typically lack elite quickness, and they're going to get beat to shit at anything other than WR/CB.

Shaq? Now Shaq is a ridiculous athlete, but he wasn't fast and he was too tall to get good leverage. What is he going to be? Tight end, maybe? There's a reason why NFL players top out at 6'7" or so at TE, and maybe 6'8 at OL. You don't need to dunk on the goalpost to score...
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:04 AM   #114
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Kobe was 6"6. I'm guessing he'd have had to play tight end? Maybe wr

WR maybe, if he could be disciplined enough in his route running. He's another one -- not really sure he could do much of anything at an NFL level. At least not for long. 6'6" and 212 pounds isn't exactly NFL size.

But any ultra-successful athlete like Kobe has a sickness that drives him to be great, so never underestimate them. But yeah -- WR or nothing I think. I laugh to think he doesn't have enough quickness to do anything, but I've never seen a CB above 6'4" and usually they have problems with quickness.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:07 PM   #115
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All else being equal, I would chose a MLB or NBA career over football too. More money and less physically punishing = no brainer.

LeBron would be a ridiculous tight end, but you've also named one of the top five, if not the top ONE, athletes to ever play basketball.

Tell me, how would anyone over, say, 6'9" do in football? For the most part, not well. I don't think Kareem Abdul Jabbar would've been much of an NFL player to be honest, no matter how many NBA records he holds. Steph Curry throwing fear into me as, what? A WR? Yeah, not really. How about all those "skinny" (by NFL standards) 6'7" wings in the NBA these days. WTF are they going to do on a football field? They typically lack elite quickness, and they're going to get beat to shit at anything other than WR/CB.

Shaq? Now Shaq is a ridiculous athlete, but he wasn't fast and he was too tall to get good leverage. What is he going to be? Tight end, maybe? There's a reason why NFL players top out at 6'7" or so at TE, and maybe 6'8 at OL. You don't need to dunk on the goalpost to score...
Yeah, I don't see NBA players as being better athletes than NFL players by any means. They're apples and oranges. Very few of either could survive in the other sport.

I've only been to one NBA game, and I must say, those are some impressive looking dudes, though. There's something about extreme height that's intimidating. It makes me wonder what the everyday life of a 5'-0" woman feels like.

Most of the other sports don't impress me that much. Baseball? Pfft. They're closest in skills to video game players. Soccer? They can't even use their arms. And hockey players are just people who grew up in Canada.

Football and basketball players are the two sports that I associate with freakish athletic ability.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:16 PM   #116
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Not able to post on my phone but this a really interesting article.

What do you think? Should NFL players strike? If you were an NFL rookie, what would your mindset be?
Yes,..strike...don't care about rookies or their contracts
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